topic Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ? in Modeling

Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Vojtech Slavik — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:46:41 GMT

Hi is there some way how to use Solid Operation Tool with Renovation filter ?

For example I have existing terrain and would like to make hole with SOT only renovation filter with new construction and be possibility to switch off this SOT

Right now the SOT can't be turn off and stay for all filters

Also I like using renovation filter for making more alternatives and this will be useful know it

Thank you 🙂

P.S.: I know that I can make smooth ground and then hole but this is demands from my boss doing this type of ground

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:51:51 GMT

No, unfortunately SEO (Solid Element Operations) do not work with renovation filters.

I am sure there is a wish in the wishes section somewhere for this.

Here is one at least.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=46792&p=321317&hilit=solid+element+renovation#p321317

Barry.

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Vojtech Slavik — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:04:34 GMT

I see thanks 😉

Barry wrote:
No, unfortunately SEO (Solid Element Operations) do not work with renovation filters.

I am sure there is a wish in the wishes section somewhere for this.

Here is one at least.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=46792&p=321317&hilit=solid+element+renovation#p321317

Barry.

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Erwin Edel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:18:07 GMT

Our current workaround is to copy the terrain and have a demolished (= existing) terrain and a new terrain (with the holes in place).

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Vojtech Slavik — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:21:34 GMT

I did the same 😉

Erwin wrote:
Our current workaround is to copy the terrain and have a demolished (= existing) terrain and a new terrain (with the holes in place).

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:37:05 GMT

IMO The problem with the SEO, is that it is focused in the modeling/geometry aspect of the project and not in the BIM dynamics. When you define a subtraction operation, the operator becomes active even if it is hided. Sometimes it is intended, but in other situations it could be useful to not apply the operation if the operator is not visible. Excavations and Infills are a good example. In this case we could have the original terrain as it is from the surveyor and the infill and excavations could be separate geometries that would act (or not) in an specific phase of the project. No duplications of geometry. Does this makes sense?

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

runxel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:51:08 GMT

Braza wrote:
Does this makes sense?

Yes, this is really a big issue. Especially because you now have double the geometry... and two different GUIDs.

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Erwin Edel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:54:06 GMT

I've never had to export terrain for BIM. I guess one of the perks of living where the terrain is pretty much flat!

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

runxel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:46:13 GMT

Erwin wrote:
I've never had to export terrain for BIM. I guess one of the perks of living where the terrain is pretty much flat!

There are things, that can be achieved with SEO only, and that not only includes terrain. So yeah, I still think that there need to be another component to SEO, where you can toggle it on and off.

Maybe this is possible with a custom object that get's a switch from the MVO 樂
I need to try that.

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Erwin Edel — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:09:21 GMT

Renovation projects are rarely BIM for us. These tend to be smaller in scale and those clients don't really care about BIM. This is more about a functional 3D model.

I find that with careful splitting up of elements and merging them back together if needed (roofs for example) it is possible to have a decent existing, demolished and new output, without having to resort to SEO shortcuts (or brute force really).

Re: Solid operation tool - with renovation tool ?

Anonymous — Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:01:40 GMT

runxel wrote:
Maybe this is possible with a custom object that get's a switch from the MVO

I proposed a Link/Unlink Operation and Operator option for the SEO dialog box. I don't really know if it is feasible, but IMO this would be the place for this option.

Erwin wrote:
Renovation projects are rarely BIM for us.

I think this is where they are most useful. i.e. Here in Europe it is usual to use wall ruins as the base for new ones. With this SEO capability, modeling and extracting quantities takeoffs would be e much more easy.