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SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:31:18 GMT

Hi there,
I'm quiet because I'm happy with AC. HOWEVER, here's a new one: I'm trying to SEO off the tops of my gable end walls with a roof...as you can see from the attached jpeg, one half of the roof works fine, but the other half just doesn't do anything...when I click the "execute" button with that air of finality, it thinks for a sec, and then there is no change. Did I somehow do something to my roof such that it can't act as an operator? Weird weird weird. Bizzarchicad. Any thoughts?
Thanks!!!

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:44:22 GMT

Zobi,
Have you checked to make sure that the mis-performing roof is on the same story as the wall it's trying to trim?
Scott

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:58:27 GMT

Sure is...it was just a rotated copy of the other, functioning half. My solution was to delete it, re-copy the functioning half and re-position it as I wanted. Worked fine, but it is still a mystery why it stopped working in the first place. thanks!

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Stephen Dolbee — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:26:02 GMT

Zobi,
Check the edges of your roof. When that has happened to me, it is usually because of one of the gable end edges not being vertical.

Steve

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:58:31 GMT

Scott wrote:
Zobi,
Have you checked to make sure that the mis-performing roof is on the same story as the wall it's trying to trim?
Scott

This (Same Story) requirement has not been my experience with ANY SEO that I perform.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:01:33 GMT

Stephen wrote:
Zobi,
Check the edges of your roof. When that has happened to me, it is usually because of one of the gable end edges not being vertical.

Steve

Maybe that is a fluke too, because most of my operator Roofs have Perpendicular edges.

Zobi, In the Attachment the Wall is trimmed by One of the Roof planes. Did you Select Both of the Roof Planes as Operators?

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Djordje — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 03:18:06 GMT

Zobi wrote:
as you can see from the attached jpeg, one half of the roof works fine, but the other half just doesn't do anything...

Did you try Trim to roof in 3D? Don't see a reason to use SEO on this one, except if you want to keep the trim live.

Anyway ... this should not happen. Being on the same or different stories does not matter.

Any modules in there?

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Scott Bulmer — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:14:46 GMT

Jay Garbarino wrote:

This (Same Story) requirement has not been my experience with ANY SEO that I perform.

Yes that is true. I misread Zobi's post and assumed the walls were being 'trimmed to roof'; not sure why one would use SEQ in that example/situation.

If using trim to roof then either the roof would have to be on the same story, or roof should have 'show on whatever story' parameter checked prior to executing the 'trim to roof' command.
I think....

Scott

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Djordje — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:05:07 GMT

Scott wrote:
If using trim to roof then either the roof would have to be on the same story, or roof should have 'show on whatever story' parameter checked prior to executing the 'trim to roof' command.
I think....

Nope.

The wall has to go throught the roof. And you should do it in 3D.

That's all ...

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Scott Bulmer — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:16:58 GMT

Djordje wrote:

The wall has to go through the roof. And you should do it in 3D.

I totally agree, but that's the condition Zobi showed in the initial attachment (wall going through roof). I was more interested in why SEO was chosen instead of Trim to Roof to perform the operation. That's all.
Thanks D.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:55:23 GMT

Scott wrote:
... I was more interested in why SEO was chosen instead of Trim to Roof to perform the operation. That's all.
Thanks D.

I no longer use trim to Roof. Even for when I create a Stair Rail cap from a roof to Trim a wall along a stair.

Often projects are changing and I much prefer to Live SEO as opposed to the Trim to Roof.

I have heard of having too many SEO that The File size is larger and the project is slower, but I guesss that is the price I pay. How much more do SEO "cost" in regard to speed, I do not know?

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Scott Bulmer — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:12:19 GMT

Jay Garbarino wrote:

I no longer use trim to Roof...Often projects are changing and I much prefer to Live SEO as opposed to the Trim to Roof.

Jay,
I must admit I had never thought of modifying walls using a Roof as the Operator Element in a SEO. What a good idea. So the question then is; what possible advantage would there be in using the Trim to Roof command over SEO for walls (other than file size as mentioned), or is the Trim to Roof command really a dead feature? Or further, as a wish, should Trim to Roof be changed so that it is live as well (similar to SEO), or just eliminated?
Thanks for the explanation.
Scott

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:00:38 GMT

Scott wrote:
Jay Garbarino wrote:
I no longer use trim to Roof...Often projects are changing and I much prefer to Live SEO as opposed to the Trim to Roof.
Jay,
I must admit I had never thought of modifying walls using a Roof as the Operator Element in a SEO. What a good idea. So the question then is; what possible advantage would there be in using the Trim to Roof command over SEO for walls (other than file size as mentioned), or is the Trim to Roof command really a dead feature? Or further, as a wish, should Trim to Roof be changed so that it is live as well (similar to SEO), or just eliminated?
Thanks for the explanation.
Scott

I also have switched to SEOs rather than trim to roof since they are more versatile and powerful, and I prefer to support only one method as a standard practice.

The Trim to Roof command is a legacy from pre-SEO days and will probably disappear in time. The wish will be for more robust SEOs and better management of the operator relationships.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:34:36 GMT

I usually use SEO now instead of Trim to Roof, but with TTR you can delete the roof and the trim operation remains, handy sometimes.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:42:34 GMT

s2art wrote:
I usually use SEO now instead of Trim to Roof, but with TTR you can delete the roof and the trim operation remains, handy sometimes.

Yes, I still resort to it on occasion, but is is becoming very rare. It would be nice to have an option to bind the results of SEOs, but would require much better management options.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Rakela Raul — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 03:40:01 GMT

Often projects are changing and I much prefer to Live SEO as opposed to the Trim to Roof

there is an option under the wall menu to eliminate the performed trim to roof command and go back to zero....probably i missed the point!!

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:12:45 GMT

Rakela wrote:
Often projects are changing and I much prefer to Live SEO as opposed to the Trim to Roof
there is an option under the wall menu to eliminate the performed trim to roof command and go back to zero....probably i missed the point!!

The live relationships between the walls and roofs eliminate the need to uncut and recut the walls when there is a change.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Rakela Raul — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:32:23 GMT

thanku sir,
no questions about that, having live relathionships is a good thing

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Anonymous — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:28:22 GMT

But that still doesn't answer the question of why some elements won't trim. I've had the exact same issue 1 or 2 days ago. Erased the roof, recreated it, and everything worked fine. Question is what caused it.

One possibility (did not happen for us in our case, but did happen before) if the Target/Operator are switched, then this won't work. In other words, if you subtract the wall from the roof first by mistake, then you won't be able to subtract the roof from the wall, because there'd now be a "hole" in the roof the exact size and shape of the wall. So the first solution is to remove all SEOs from the roof if things don't work right at first.

Now what you do if THAT doesn't solve it, that's what I'd like to know.

Re: SEO not working for one operator only!

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:37:47 GMT

Sergio wrote:

But that still doesn't answer the question of why some elements won't trim. I've had the exact same issue 1 or 2 days ago. Erased the roof, recreated it, and everything worked fine. Question is what caused it.

Sergio, when your issue first arose, did you double check that you had used the correct type of subtraction method (subtraction w/ upward extrusion)? If not, that may have been the problem.
S