topic Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D in Modeling

BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Tue, 23 May 2023 12:07:37 GMT

In Archicad 23, after moving the origin or direction of a Cover Fill on a slab, the origin/direction of the corresponding Surface does not update.

For example, modeling a 2x2 acoustic ceiling grid, in version 22 and earlier, setting the 2D Cover Fill origin and direction also set the origin and direction of the the 3D texture, so that the model view and plan view matched.
in 23, the 3D texture does not move with the 2D origin. The same also applies to Roofs.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:25:37 GMT

In your slab/roof: Did you check "Use Fill from surface"?

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:38:03 GMT

Yes.

In 22, when the fill handle is moved in plan view, the corresponding 3D texture's origin also moves.

In 23, it does not.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:54:16 GMT

Anyone else able to reproduce this?

I've tried it on a couple different machines, and in different files, including the Graphisoft 23 template file, so I don't think it is a settings issue.

This is a big deal! The model view does not match the plan view for things like ceilings and floor tile patterns, where alignments are sometimes critical. I don't want to be sitting in front of the screen with my boss trying to explain that the ceiling grid is one way in plan but different in 3D because our software used to work but now it doesn't.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

David Maudlin — Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:29:19 GMT

Stuart Smith:

I am seeing the same change in behavior between AC 22 and AC23. I think you should report it as a bug.

David

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

NCornia — Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:33:34 GMT

Hi All,

Stuart reached out to Tech Support in North America. This bug was previously discovered and we already plan to correct it in an Update. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Workaround: Orient fills in 2D view, and then also orient the surface in 3D in a separate action using the "Align 3D Texture" commands. Help Center: https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/88386/

Update #1 for ARCHICAD 23 is slated for release in the next 1-3 months. Sorry we cannot be more precise than that on an ETA. These updates must go through a rigorous process of development and quality assurance and possibly some revisions before we release them so it is not possible to pinpoint a date right now. Hopefully it will be sooner than later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Dalius — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:50:49 GMT

NCornia wrote:
This bug was previously discovered and we already plan to correct it in an Update.

Nicholas Cornia:
We had so much hope for this Update, but unfortunately, 4006 did not solve the problem. Does it mean that Graphisoft forgot this bug?

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:00:28 GMT

Just checked this in 24.
Still doesn't work. Bug not squashed.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Dalius — Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:38:25 GMT

@NCornia wrote:
This bug was previously discovered and we already plan to correct it in an Update. [...] Hopefully it will be sooner than later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Nicholas,

Is there any hope that this bug will eventually be fixed? 🙏

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

JohnJay — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:10:39 GMT

Is this fixed yet?

I have numerous instances of 3D fills not matching 2D and it will take a long time to match everything...

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:17:44 GMT

It's not fixed in 25, and I don't have high hopes that it will be fixed in 26 given the history,

It's not clear to me that Graphisoft even sees this as a bug, even though it breaks a workflow we've all been using for years.

Extremely frustrating!

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Wed, 03 Aug 2022 15:28:52 GMT

Another year, another version, and this bug is still not fixed in 26.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

JonOfArchitecture — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 03:00:26 GMT

@NCornia Any update on this one? I'm finding it quite painful that ceiling tiles which I align in 2D do not update in 3D to match. Big projects mean there are too many of these to have to fix and check for alignment constantly.

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

JohnJay — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 09:03:13 GMT

@NCornia wrote:
Hi All,

Stuart reached out to Tech Support in North America. This bug was previously discovered and we already plan to correct it in an Update. Sorry for the inconvenience.

nearly 3 years and 3 major updates later and still not fixed

What a piss take

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

jivi — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 07:43:09 GMT

Still not fixed @GRAPHISOFT What is happening with this issue!?

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 14:43:39 GMT

@NCornia wrote:
Hi All,

Stuart reached out to Tech Support in North America. This bug was previously discovered and we already plan to correct it in an Update. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Workaround: Orient fills in 2D view, and then also orient the surface in 3D in a separate action using the "Align 3D Texture" commands. Help Center: https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/88386/

Update #1 for ARCHICAD 23 is slated for release in the next 1-3 months. Sorry we cannot be more precise than that on an ETA. These updates must go through a rigorous process of development and quality assurance and possibly some revisions before we release them so it is not possible to pinpoint a date right now. Hopefully it will be sooner than later. Sorry for the inconvenience.

This bug persists in version 27 as far as I can tell.

I'm going to re-iterate that the workaround is unacceptably time-consuming and disruptive to workflow.

Obviously, It does not seem like a big deal to you, but I can assure you that when one is working on Finish Plans and RCPs for large buildings with tens of thousands of square feet of tile patterns and acoustical ceiling panels, all of which have specific alignments that need to be set and documented per room, the behavior of Archicad prior to 23 is essential to the workflow. We take a lot of time to carefully match 2d fills to texture images for patterns. It is essential to be able to set the pattern in plan view and then switch to 3D to evaluate how it looks. Please fix this!

Re: BUG in 23? Slab and Roof Surface Textures in 3D do not align with Cover Fills in 2D

Stuart Smith — Tue, 25 Jun 2024 13:37:42 GMT

I guess I forgot to post last year the Annual Disappointment Update that this bug is still not fixed as of version 27...

But this morning I see the Technology Preview for version 28 is right around the corner! Will this finally be the year? The suspense is killing me.

Actually no, what's killing me is having to set the origin of all these floor tile patterns in both 2D and 3D, instead of just being able to do it once in plan like we did in every version of Archicad prior to 23.

Hope springs eternal, though. I'm rooting for you Graphisoft bug exterminators. You can do it! This is the year!