topic Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project in Modeling

All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

James Murray — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:18:04 GMT

Yes, all. Poof. The layouts remain, FWIW.

Yesterday afternoon they were there, this morning they're gone. Client meeting in two hours.

Here's the scary part. I restored Tuesday's version of the file from backup. I know this file is OK because I used the views and subsets on Wednesday. But when it opens, it has the sickness.

Which means, the damage is occurring upon opening, not before.

It is a migrated project. But it was migrated several weeks ago, no trouble until now.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

James Murray — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:03:57 GMT

And...

All the masters have their size reset to A1. The drawings are present, but naturally they can't be updated with no views. The publisher sets are gone, but there's nothing to publish anyway.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:52:28 GMT

Only the usual things come to mind, which you've probably already tried.

Import/merge into a new file.

Open with the Mactel beta if you have it.

Sounds very bad

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Jefferson — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:22:51 GMT

Good luck with this James. I feel for you.

The rest of us "regular" users will of course be watching closely how you fair. I find it very unerving when someone with your program savvy experiences mystery phenomenon.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

James Murray — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:42:31 GMT

Well, I lived, it's a design development meeting so I only had to resurrect 8 sheets. I imported layouts from my template and limped across the finish line. Fortunately it seems to be only that project affected at this time. The 10-native ones are all alright.

It reinforces my conviction that I won't migrate anything in CDs.

I'm about ready for that hotfix now. This is like an early beta event. Can't have it.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:38:13 GMT

Hello James,
I take it that you have concluded that your problems were
caused by something involved in migrating a project
from a previous version in to AC 10.
Is this true ?

My re-seller strongly recommends not to migrate projects into AC 10
as there are too many things that can go wrong.

The New Features guide goes on and on about how to do it
and all of the things to look out for.
That was the tip off for me. Don't try it.

What do you think ?
Peter Devlin

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

James Murray — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:27:43 GMT

Peter wrote:
Hello James,
I take it that you have concluded that your problems were
caused by something involved in migrating a project
from a previous version in to AC 10.
Is this true ?

That's what I suspect. I can't prove it until I have a few more migrated sets go up in smoke, while the native 10 ones don't.

My re-seller strongly recommends not to migrate projects into AC 10
as there are too many things that can go wrong.

The New Features guide goes on and on about how to do it
and all of the things to look out for.
That was the tip off for me. Don't try it.

When you think about what it must be doing behind the scenes it's no wonder it's not perfect.

My opinion is, there's no rush. 9 works. If you accept that you can't move everything at once, it follows to let the projects nearest the end to just coast through. Let the CD-phase projects run normally, time flies, they'll be done before you know it.

The big issue with migration is the layouts. That's the freaky trick AC has to do. A project in schematics or DD doesn't have many layouts, so you could even just migrate the model and rebuild the layout book from nothing, thus avoiding the big issue. In CDs, you wouldn't want to do that for a pile of detail sheets etc.

And if you let the CD stuff run, you know that something is predictably making money while you transition. You're not 'experimenting' on everything at once. Management likes that.

My plan is train people on a new model first, then look at migrating a SD/DD project. As time goes on and more kinks are worked out, maybe we can transition projects in more states.

And that's all to the side of the totaled-Navigator-data issue. It's probably a total fluke. (There aren't tons of these stories in this forum.) But it doesn't make me more excited to try a 60-sheet project.

Days like this, you question the wisdom of making everything out of little pieces of electricity...

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:57:31 GMT

Thank you James,
All very well put.
Peter Devlin

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Aussie John — Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:58:59 GMT

Related to the topic, I had a file that would crash archicad when a particular section was loading. I had to go back four days of backups before one would open. That meant that those unopenable files had opened and been worked on before!! That's wierd. It was a converted file BTW.

I was able to merge the latest into a new file and cut and paste all the new plan work. The section notation and details had to be redone. Lucky it was a small job.

Makes you wish for a safe open mode where sections dont load so problems can be tracked down.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:25:16 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Makes you wish for a safe open mode where sections dont load so problems can be tracked down.

Perhaps James' auto-update on/off switch would do the trick. Of course not having drawings that cause crashes would be nice.

I also have recently had a section crash my machine (updating it in the layout). I though it might be the Mactel RC1 since the same file seems to work fine in Windows. (I haven't tried the old beta or the PPC version.)

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

__archiben — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:40:07 GMT

if i recall correctly, that happened to the first project i migrated with one of those early prebeta/betas . . . thought they'd got that one nailed!

~/archiben

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Aussie John — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:52:35 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Perhaps James' auto-update on/off switch would do the trick. Of course not having drawings that cause crashes would be nice.

I also have recently had a section crash my machine (updating it in the layout). I though it might be the Mactel RC1 since the same file seems to work fine in Windows. (I haven't tried the old beta or the PPC version.)

My file was crashing as the file was loading. ie before layout even came up.

In another issue I did have a problem with crashing when a drawing updated that had a text based label attached to an object.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

owen — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:19:08 GMT

James ... if it makes you feel any better you're not alone. Yesterday I ran into this and today I open my draft and voila ... no views at all, and no layout subsets. Layouts are still there but all the masters are gone too.

For what its worth I have encountered absolutely no bugs in 10 until yesterday. Thats when I Teamworked. I have since ran into these two MAJOR bugs, along with suffering several AC-quit>bug-reporter type crashes when doing pretty simple stuff like editing text, deleting lines, etc

Teamwork obviously has some major issues that need to be fixed. I will be going back to PLN and recommending nothing in the office requiring Teamwork moves to 10 until these reports stop appearing.

[Edit:] ... so anyone know when the first Hotfix should be out? (gimme a break, its the weekend and ive been in the office both days .. not a happy camper)

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Ben Cohen — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:12:36 GMT

This vanishing views thing has happened to me but I found that my ArchiCAD 9 file was corrupt. (Actually about 3 jobs in 9) In these V9 files I was unable to get the attribute manager up.
When migrated to version 10 the views would then disappear when the layout - pln was merged. In the end I could use the files in 10, as long as I kept the layout pln separate.
I sent the file into Graphisoft but because the v9 file was corrupt I doubt there is much they could do.

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:50:36 GMT

James - my sympathies - my difficulties are somewhat different in that the views and layouts in a separate file seem to be OK - but there are other glitches that seem to be related to the location and maybe condition of the file after migration and a lot of work. For example, I can translate six floors fine to DWG and the garage two floors won't. Just can't seem to get all the views to show correctly and update in the layouts.So far no major disapearing acts though.

I just realized that I changed the topic -- old age creeps up again.

Lew Bishop
G5 dual 2.0 4GB
OSX 10.7 - AC 10 mostly

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Anonymous — Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:42:19 GMT

Just got the vanishing views problem. I've been using AC10 with migrated projects for about a month now and had no problems.

Yesterday I had nearly finished our new office template, opened it up for one last edit and... no more views!

The template was created from the AC10 template,
- pen sets copied over from one of our migrated jobs,
- layers and composites copied directly from our 9 template using the attribute manager
- layout masters merged from a 9 layout book

Although all the views vanished, not all of the sheets in the layout book did. I had set up a bunch of subsets, each with some sheets in, and some of these sheets had drawings placed on them.
- All of the folders disappeared,
- All of the masters reset to A1 (from A4 and A3)
- Some of the masters retained their information, some lost it
- The sheets that had drawings placed on them remained

Has any one heard/figured out any thing more on this? Is it a migration problem?

Re: All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Djordje — Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:33:42 GMT

Tom wrote:
Has any one heard/figured out any thing more on this? Is it a migration problem?

This happened to me as I was working on a module, 100% certain that I am working on the thing I saved as PLN ... under an impossible deadline, of course.