topic Re: Detail Hatch in Modeling

Detail Hatch

OBERMEYER — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:50:44 GMT

See screenshot.

Detail hatch creates some sort of directional vector at a base point located very far from the detail. What is going on here? Moving the entire detail requires zooming way out to locate and select the hatch item along with this vector point (not sure of the technical terms for this item).

Explanation would be helpful...

Re: Detail Hatch

Barry Kelly — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 01:57:03 GMT

Its correct name is 'Editable Fill Handle' and is part of the construction methods for fills.
I have no idea why it is so far away other than it must have either been moved there or the fill was drawn with this construction method turned on so you draw the fill perimeter and then click to place the EFH - this last click being far away.

Either way you can select the fill and move this handle closer.
Grab it at the end with the cross and move the line (using the sub-element move option in the pet palette - the position of the cross will be the origin of the hatch pattern.
If you grab the other end of the line it will simply rotate and the angle of the hatch pattern will rotate with it.

Alternatively you can select the fill and turn this construction method off and the line will disappear.
The angle and rotation of you hatch may change.
If it does then turn it back on but now it will be in the centre of your fill.
Now move and rotate it to suit your needs.

Barry.

Re: Detail Hatch

OBERMEYER — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:25:27 GMT

Thanks for reply. I'll try my hardest not to complain...

Okay...so now when generating hatches, which automatically can be setup to be generated from materials (see screenshot), we also have to keep in mind that there exists, for whatever reason, a hatch origin option that needs to be setup before users start generating detail callouts.

Archicad could by default force all hatches to generate by element and then those crazy users who just have to have the origin by project can go off on a tangent and change it on their precious spare time.

Am I missing something? I'm a newbie here and despite advancements and plenty of learning curve victories I still constantly feel like I'm missing something. This one item could be easier right?

I have created a few materials, perhaps I changed the settings to generate from origin and was unaware of the consequence. Are all materials hatch origins set to element by default?

Re: Detail Hatch

Barry Kelly — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 02:53:56 GMT

I might be missing something here but the problem you first showed has nothing to do with the fill orientation in the building materials.

The editable fill handle is part of the fill tool and does not appear in Building Materials or composites using those BMs.

The first image you showed has a hatched fill in a detail.
You will have to open the source view of that detail to edit the fill (it looks like you were showing it on a layout page).

The attached image shows the Editable Fill Handle.

Barry.

Re: Detail Hatch

OBERMEYER — Wed, 19 Aug 2015 19:46:39 GMT

I know you know all of the following but I'll say it this way so you can follow what I'm seeing:

Building elements such as walls roofs floors etc, are all setup with composite building material specifications. The composite building materials include setup options for Fill Orientation to generate from project origin, element and fit to skin The Fills are generated when the building is cut in section.

In the section view, the Fill Orientation is still part of the 3D element. Then a detail callout is placed in the section view and this generates a separate 2D view drawing of lines and hatches that are no longer part of the 3D element. This 2D view is where the Fill is generated with the Editable Fill Handle and the handle is way off center to the drawing. I'm thinking this is because the building material Fill Orientation was set to Relative to Project Origin. Also note that now Fill Orientation option is no longer available in the 2D Detail view but Fill Construction Method options are available and they are Relative to Project, Relative to Element, Distorted Fill and Radial.

Maybe I need to understand the difference with Fills when moving along from 3D to 2D?

Re: Detail Hatch

Barry Kelly — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 03:45:55 GMT

OBERMEYER wrote:
Then a detail callout is placed in the section view and this generates a separate 2D view drawing of lines and hatches that are no longer part of the 3D element. This 2D view is where the Fill is generated with the Editable Fill Handle and the handle is way off center to the drawing. I'm thinking this is because the building material Fill Orientation was set to Relative to Project Origin.

Yes the placing of a detail will convert the 3D elements to 2D lines and fills.
I missed that part sorry.
I never use the detail tool myself (would rather have a live section).
But I just tried and my fills have no handle by default in the detail no matter if the Building Material was set with the fill to project origin or element.
So I am not sure what is happening there to cause the fill handle to be so far away.

OBERMEYER wrote:
Also note that now Fill Orientation option is no longer available in the 2D Detail view but Fill Construction Method options are available and they are Relative to Project, Relative to Element, Distorted Fill and Radial.

Yes these are the correct names.
I must have had an older version of Archicad open when I replied last time - sorry again.

Barry.