topic Re: Baseboard secret? in Modeling

Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:13:36 GMT

Hi, I’ve tried using the beam tool and magic wand some baseboards into a room and although it works well the baseboard runs across door openings.
Without having to go in and cut out the door spans and drag and mess around is there an automated way to do this?

I haven’t tried the baseboards in goodies only because I have yet to see a video of this going well also.

I really would like to stay within the program to accomplish the task of baseboards. In Revit you can add baseboards as “sweeps” to a wall profile.
I’m hoping there is some kind of secret Archicad option buried somewhere in the program.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:16:28 GMT

Look at creating a profile for your wall that includes the baseboard:

https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/user-guide/76455/

This one is a bit out of date as far as software features, but will give you some ideas:
https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/knowledgebase/25558/

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 16:51:42 GMT

Thanks, but if it’s part of the complex profile I won’t have control over where it appears and where I’d like a certain part of a wall not to have baseboard.
Of course I’m spewing this off the top of my head without first trying your suggestion, this is what I anticipate the shortcomings of that approach might be...

Re: Baseboard secret?

Richard Morrison — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:36:02 GMT

Yes, there is an automated way to do this. Interior Accessories in Goodies. I'd suggest the zone approach rather than the selected wall approach, but they both work.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:52:44 GMT

Thank you I will look that up.

Not sure how to access goodies in Verison 22 but I’m sure it’s somewhere?

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:22:00 GMT

I loaded the Goodies folder. I now have “accessories” in the Design menu drop-down.

I click on “wall accessories” and the “choose wall accessory object” dialogue box opens and there is nothing to chose.

“not available in the loaded libraries” comes up.

Is this supposed to be this difficult or did I just fail the Archicad entrance exam?

Re: Baseboard secret?

Richard Morrison — Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:36:21 GMT

The accessories library needs to be in the loaded libraries.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 01 Apr 2019 02:14:52 GMT

Michael wrote:
Thanks, but if it’s part of the complex profile I won’t have control over where it appears and where I’d like a certain part of a wall not to have baseboard.

If you can upgrade to version 22, then you can use 'Modifiers' in your complex profiles.
So you can have your baseboard (skirting) that is stretchable in size.
To hide it simply stretch the height or width to zero.

Barry.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Apr 2019 13:42:11 GMT

I'll try the modifiers approach.

In the meantime I still can't get the goodies to load. I've never worked so hard for a baseboard. It would be easier if I just included the installation of the baseboards in my contract and I'll install the damn things myself instead of drawing them in AC.

Here are some screen shots. Can anyone tell from them what I'm doing wrong?

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Apr 2019 13:51:45 GMT

Well, I tried uploading images but all I keep getting is this error message. See below.
It seems I can't even get that right, lol.
I quit.

"The image must be at least 0 pixels wide, 0 pixels high and at most 1920 pixels wide and 1200 pixels high. The submitted image is 1976 pixels wide and 1080 pixels high."

Re: Baseboard secret?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 01 Apr 2019 15:25:16 GMT

Barry wrote:

Michael wrote:
Thanks, but if it’s part of the complex profile I won’t have control over where it appears and where I’d like a certain part of a wall not to have baseboard.
If you can upgrade to version 22, then you can use 'Modifiers' in your complex profiles.
So you can have your baseboard (skirting) that is stretchable in size.
To hide it simply stretch the height or width to zero.

Barry.

Thanks for adding that, Barry. And, Michael, you would use Partial Structure Display options to entirely turn the baseboard on or off for views thet need or don't need it (e.g., don't want the extra lifework on a floor plan).

Re: Baseboard secret?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 02 Apr 2019 00:56:22 GMT

Michael wrote:
"The image must be at least 0 pixels wide, 0 pixels high and at most 1920 pixels wide and 1200 pixels high. The submitted image is 1976 pixels wide and 1080 pixels high."

Your image is too wide.

As for the accessories, do you have the accessories library loaded as Richard suggested in an earlier post.
You will find it in the Archicad program folder when you install the goodies, but you have to load the library yourself.

Barry.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Steve Jepson — Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:40:05 GMT

Michael wrote:
Hi, I’ve tried using the beam tool and magic wand some baseboards into a room and although it works well the baseboard runs across door openings.
Without having to go in and cut out the door spans and drag and mess around is there an automated way to do this?

I haven’t tried the baseboards in goodies only because I have yet to see a video of this going well also.

I really would like to stay within the program to accomplish the task of baseboards. In Revit you can add baseboards as “sweeps” to a wall profile.
I’m hoping there is some kind of secret Archicad option buried somewhere in the program.

I like to use object/library parts that you can adjust for length and miter for base and crown. But if you do like to use the Wall Accessory Tool you can play some trick with the zone boundaries around the doors and then you can delete the generated accessory you don't want.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Steve Jepson — Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:54:13 GMT

if there is a "secret" to having no baseboard at the doors when you use the Wall Accessory Tool to automatically place it for you - it would be to add a node point in the edge of the zone/lines/fill... what ever you are using with the Wall Accessory Tool at the side of your door trim. It will still generate a base board there between the nodes but you can delete it easy enough and the rest of it will be correctly placed around the room, around the zone, along the lines...

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 17:04:17 GMT

For anyone who’s also going down this rabbit hole of baseboards and in general millwork in Archicad, I’ll tell you what a seasoned architect told me regarding this.

He said, “a real Architect will show the baseboards and millwork in a cross section detail with model number and dimensions etc. We’re not trying to build a virtual Barbie house. Millwork in any floor plan will only add to the confusion of the important elements in a drawing which are the walls and structure.” Or something to that effect.

I’m coming from programs like Softplan and Chief Architect which are really efficient and intuitive for creating millwork. I was trying to bend Archicad against its will. Apparently Archicad isn’t intended for this type of superfluous detail. I’m only assuming this based on responses in this post and the fact that you won’t find one single video in the entire internet where someone adds a baseboard in an efficient manner to an Archicad drawing. There’s a reason for that. It doesn’t exist.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Richard Morrison — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 19:56:27 GMT

Certainly you aren't going to show millwork in a floor plan. There are good reasons to model it, though, since it will then show up in cross-sections, in interior elevations, and in the BimX model. Generally, if something shows up in multiple views, it's probably worth modeling.

Personally, if you can create a virtual Barbie house relatively easily, why not? Of course, I've only been a licensed architect for 36 years, so maybe I'm not a "real architect" yet.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 13 Apr 2019 23:00:37 GMT

Michael wrote:
He said, “a real Architect will show the baseboards and millwork in a cross section detail with model number and dimensions etc. We’re not trying to build a virtual Barbie house. Millwork in any floor plan will only add to the confusion of the important elements in a drawing which are the walls and structure.” Or something to that effect.

Many of us will disagree with the above quote, unless you replace the words "real architect" with "old school architect". Of course you wouldn't show trim in any view other than sections and 3D ... but why would you NOT show it in those views? If you provide a client with a virtual model for the free BIMx viewer ... wouldn't they want to see things trimmed out (at a certain point in design development)? A benefit of virtual building in 3D is that you can cut a section anywhere and see the right thing without having to detail the section manually, at a risk of future errors/omissions.

The fact that there are no videos of something doesn't mean that people aren't using profiles or accessories every day to accomplish it. It really isn't a big deal, particularly with the AC 22 parametric profiles.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Sun, 14 Apr 2019 02:48:15 GMT

Complex profiles, parametric or not only solve the problem of a adding a baseboard to a wall. You can’t change the material or color of the baseboard on the fly, or hide it for a given section of the wall. Sure you can edit the profile each time for this but that would mean cutting the wall at various locations and then editing the part of the wall’s complex profile where you want the change to happen.

I wish the beam tool simply had a button to select, “hide across door or wall openings”.
This would truly be a millwork tool without compromise.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Erwin Edel — Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:15:24 GMT

We don't even model the plaster on the walls. I'm just a simple bachelor degree engineer though, so certainly not a real architect by our national standards

I want the shell of the building in my drawings, that's what I need for dimensions for the contractor. Trim and finishes are in the 2D detail drawings.

Re: Baseboard secret?

Anonymous — Tue, 16 Apr 2019 04:58:21 GMT

Michael wrote:
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I wish the beam tool simply had a button to select, “hide across door or wall openings”.
This would truly be a millwork tool without compromise.

It would only take a few seconds to cut the beam at doors, I don’t see what the issue is with using beams I have done this to model coved vinyl skirtings across a whole hospital redevelopment and took no longer to model correctly than drawing 2d overlay in sections / int elevations

Scott