topic Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides in Modeling

AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2023 06:38:10 GMT

Hi Folks!
I've been getting to know the Graphic Overrides feature in AC 20, and am having some troubles getting rules to stick.

For example: If I add criteria to a new rule - such as... tack on a layer to a wall in the criteria list, then press "Ok" to seemigly lock in the edit i made, it wont remember the layer addition i made in the criteria list when i go back in.

this happens with other criteria that i add on below element type, even when I try using the Element Type- is - All Types

Is there something i am missing on how to build the criteria list?

Let me know if i can be more clear.

Thanks in advance!

-MB

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Sam Wheatley — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:36:53 GMT

I have had similar things happen. I'm interested in Graphic Overrides and how they can be used to enhance construction documents, as well as presentations. I would love to see how others are using these features. Would anyone like to share their override combinations?

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jul 2016 17:02:47 GMT

Thanks Sam.

Still curious about the issue i originally posted, but I'm happy to expand on your inquiry.

We as a company have been trying to get familiar with the new GO feature, and trying to envision scenarios where it might be useful. Same questions you posted... How will it improve documentation? or Is is intended more for in-house coordination? OR schematic design?

Some scenarios we came up with...
1) Schematic Design - Producing Solid Fill plans/sections that display all cut elements as All 100% Black for example. This used to be handled in Model View Options, but this ability has been moved to GO

2) DWG export - In general, we could simplify our drawings using GO for a more streamlined export to DWG to consultants. Essentially use GO as an extension of the DWG Translator.

3) Existing Conditions - Showing existing conditions (adjacent to "new construction") with a light gray background for visual/graphic clarity. Although this could always be done with the renovation setting overrides

Any other ideas? Really just brainstorming here, trying to figure out how GO will be useful. No doubt the possibilities are "endless" but realistically, how are folks using them?

Thanks!

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

DGSketcher — Mon, 01 Aug 2016 13:30:50 GMT

There is a bug somewhere in the GO settings. I had the same issue you describe Borisov. I haven't played with it enough to work out why the settings wouldn't stick other than it may be the route you take to access the settings as I later went through the renovation filter on a new approach and the new settings stuck without issue.

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Katalin Borszeki — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 13:30:48 GMT

Hi Borisov and DGsketcher, could you send me a little screen video as a private message of what is happening, how the criteria do not get remembered? That would be great, thanks, k

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

DGSketcher — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 14:26:51 GMT

Katalin,

I have tried to recreate the problem which I think happened when accessing the GO settings through the bottom status bar but everything seems to be working as expected. I am fairly sure I was working on a legacy project migrated from v19 at the time but the problem was cleared the next time I worked on the drawing.

Maybe Borisov can reproduce the circumstances.

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Aug 2016 14:57:12 GMT

Katalin,
Thanks for reaching out.
Like DGS, I couldn't recreate the problem (which is frustrating). I tried everything. Maybe blame user error using a new feature? I will be carefully paying attention to the GO and Rules and see if it happens again.

I DO have a couple very small bugs on other feature working in v20 that i have encountered. What is the best way to point out these issues to GS?

Thanks again!

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 04 Aug 2016 12:27:09 GMT

Borisov,

Just post them in the appropriate forum and they will find their way to GRAPHISOFT. I will report them if we can confirm they are bugs and if they may be bugs.

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Kevin Motyka — Fri, 09 Sep 2016 13:12:24 GMT

I too have been having trouble with the newly created or revised rules to stick. I am trying to include a screen video as was suggested by Katalin but this post will not allow that to happen. Any help with either issue would be appreciated.

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Katalin Borszeki — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:09:14 GMT

Hi there,
Our development checked the issue and found that it is indeed caused by a bug. An entry has been added into our database (#215625). We are investigating the problem as we speak. Thanks for pointing our attention to it and special kudos to Kevin Motyka for sending me a screen recording!! best, k

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:58:08 GMT

So is it possible to use GO per component of a wall. For example in the floorplan I want the components to have a solid fill accept the airgap between masonry and insulation. So the materials brick, insulation and concrete get a black fill while the airgapcomponent stays transparent.
I tried it with making a rule per material but it still turns the whole wall black.

Maybe I'm missing something. Anyway if someone has a solution it would be great!

Regards,
Peter

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:26:40 GMT

Graphic Overrides can override only the whole element. It is not possible to override individual skins of Composites and Complex Profiles.

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:22:29 GMT

Hi,

Is there any update on this issue? We are having the same problems getting any new rules to stick!

This seems like quite a crucial issue to have? We have imported our model view options from 19 and cannot change any of the graphical overides associated, essentially meaning all of our graphical overrides mean nothing!

Really need a hotfix as soon as possible!

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

ksjhawk — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 20:33:42 GMT

Also having this issue. Any progress on an update?

Re: AC 20 - Troubleshooting Graphic Overrides

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 17:26:13 GMT

KatalinBorszeki wrote:
Hi there,
Our development checked the issue and found that it is indeed caused by a bug. An entry has been added into our database (#215625). We are investigating the problem as we speak. Thanks for pointing our attention to it and special kudos to Kevin Motyka for sending me a screen recording!! best, k

Hi Katalin,

Will there be a hotfix release for this? I have created a couple of schedules which rely on the graphic override settings within the schedule. They are not displaying correctly on the layout and is different to the saved view! Its all very strange

Many thanks