topic Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's in Modeling

Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Kaspars — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:11:14 GMT

Hi,

I would like to hotlink some part of building (e.g. WC room walls in hospital) and multiple it many times, so if some changes in the module should be made, that would be easy.

But the problem is - the door opening ID's should be individual in All the building, regardless the doors are the same type or not. So their number in my project are driven by storey number combined with number manually written in Archicad Doors ID field. As far as I know it is impossible to change ID's of hotlinked element instances. So no hotlinks for me 😕

I wonder, is there a solution to this?

Kaspars

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Erwin Edel — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:19:17 GMT

You might be able to assemble a property that achieves this.

CONCAT ( STR ( {Property:General Parameters/Element ID}; 0 ); STR ( {Property:General Parameters/Home Story Number}; 0 ) )

Something along those lines

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Kaspars — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:26:06 GMT

That is used as how i label my openings by expression in project, yes.

But the problem is with multiple instances of hotlinked modules. It is not possible to give individual ID's of openings in them

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Erwin Edel — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:28:43 GMT

You could use Master ID of the hotlinked module to give each placed module an unique ID (and the elements inside the module as well).

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Kaspars — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:51:32 GMT

It works a bit, yes

Meaning i cannot copy hotlinks but only place each instance seperately to achieve this unique Master ID before original ID, right?

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Kaspars — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:53:12 GMT

Ah, or to get rid of Original ID as such and use only Master ID

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Erwin Edel — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:56:40 GMT

You can use TRIM to get rid of the bits you don't need.

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Kaspars — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:30:31 GMT

So the only drawback for this method as I can see is that all the objects within the module instance will get the same Master ID. For example If I have 3 doors, 2 sinks, etc., they all will have the same Master ID prefix before original ID

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Erwin Edel — Fri, 03 Sep 2021 14:44:49 GMT

There should be two options: 'element ID' and 'hotlink and element ID'.

I typically use the 'hotlink and element ID' for things that require unique ID per placed module, for example zones. I typically use 'element ID' for things that should have the same ID regardless of being part of module or not, for example doors/windows.

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Lingwisyer — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 01:51:21 GMT

Might there be someway to create a custom field that combines the Hotlink ID and the Door ID? You then schedule that instead?

eg. Door 4 in Hotlink 8 becomes "Door 84"

Ling.

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Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 20 Jul 2022 12:55:52 GMT

You can work with Property Expressions to get around that. If I understand correctly, you want different Properties for different Element types even if the Hotlink Master ID is the same.

This is made possible by the fact that a Property definition can include multiple Expressions, each in a new row in the Property Manager Dialog, processed one after the other until one gives a valid result.

For example, you could create multiple Expressions for the same Property (let us call it "ElemSpecificProperty"), something like this:

Let us say, your Hotlink Master ID is "M-01", "M-02", etc.

IF Element = Door then ElemSpecificProperty = "D-01" (First character is "D", rest is the "-01" portion of the Hotlink Master ID)

IF Element = Window then ElemSpecificProperty = "W-01" (First character is "W", rest is the "-01" portion of the Hotlink Master ID)

Then you would use this "intermediate" ElemSpecificProperty value in the Expression defing your Property, which would be:

=Home Story + ElemSpecificProperty + ID.

Let us say the Element ID is "01", and the elements are on Story 2 so the Home Story parameter is "02".

In this case, the Property value

for a Door coming from Hotlinked Module "M-01" would be "02-D-01-001"

for a Door coming from Hotlinked Module "M-02" it would be "02-D-02-001"

and so on. The Property value

for a Window coming from Hotlinked Module "M-01" would be "02-W-01-001"

for a Window coming from Hotlinked Module "M-02" it would be "02-W-02-001"

and so on.

So, they are in the same Hotlinked Module, they have the same ID, they are on the same Story, but with the introduction of an intermediate, element-specific Property into the Expression, their Property value can be different.

I hope this explanation makes sense.

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

davidstonearchicad21 — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 00:40:26 GMT

I’ve been attempting to do a similar thing to display our door IDs the way the company wants on the plans that show them (our ‘key plans’) and listed in an interactive schedule of doors from Hotlinked and non Hotlinked sources.

The problem I’m running into is when we get to the interactive schedule.. we get weird behaviour. For example if I use the Hotlinked Door Context ID property it displays all door IDs (master+element) from all sources(Hotlinked and host). But when I make a duplicate of the property, the new copy can’t display doors from Hotlinked sources but can display doors from the host file. And it’s a direct copy…

I closed the schedule and reopened from view map to refresh it, the problem remains.

Oddly the Dynamic ID by classification only displays doors from hotlinks.

any ideas?

to assist with the screenshot below:

copy (1) is a direct copy

copy (2) is a direct copy with added “D.”

out of the box Property is in the middle of the two

(having trouble uploading a jpeg photo from my phone. The size is less than 5mb but it accepts .jpg not .jpeg so it’s a little difficult to upload using a phone!)

Re: Instanced hotlinked module element ID's

bawlfeet — Wed, 20 Jul 2022 09:27:33 GMT

Thank for your reply. I got the solution.

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