topic Re: Are roofs always a pain? in Modeling

Are roofs always a pain?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 13:28:33 GMT

Hi

I'm modelling a simple 4 metre by 5 metre cabin. I want to put a straight forward gable roof on it. I can't say that AC seems at all intuitive as I can't get the damned thing right...

Any help appreciated. Any decent tutorials around?

Cheers

Nicholas

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

TomWaltz — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:45:18 GMT

What aren't you able to get right?

The only tutorials I know of is the chapter in the Archicad Learning Guide books/movies.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:25:09 GMT

The guy has a point.

ArchiCAD makes automatic hip roofs. The step from hip to gable ISN'T intuitive, it is progosticative.

When I want a gable, I use the hip roof tool to find the center between opposing wall faces, throw away the intermediate hip, and stretch the top corner of the roofs to form the gable.

It is quick once you get the hang of it and requires no finicking.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:21:45 GMT

ok

managed to make a hipped roof. but how tto get rid of the hip I don't want? when I select it affects the whole roof...

TIA

Nicholas

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:26:26 GMT

Kid (assuming the demeanor of the cynical Dr Cox of "Scrubs" fame):

On this forum we are all helpful, but it is NOT a substitute for following a basic tutorial. Get some training, you lazy person.

You have "Autogroup" turned on.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

James Murray — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:26:50 GMT

Suspend groups.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

James Murray — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:28:09 GMT

Hi Dwight.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:29:04 GMT

James....

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

TomWaltz — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:59:25 GMT

I think Dwight has been spending too much time with Djordje 😉

But he has a point...

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:18:48 GMT

There was a time, back in 1992, when an architect could sit down with ArchiCAD and draw a building, just like that. It was a lovely melody - a love song. Graphisoft had turned architecture into a video game. The tools WERE intuitive and basic.

Fifteen years later, this fluidity has been passed on to Sketchup.

ArchiCAD has CEASED to be an "intuitive" program. By employing more-and-more functionality, the commands become increasingly cryptic, and any productivity strategy more abstract. No more singing "yummy yummy yummy, I got love in my tummy."

It's "Volga boatmen" now.

This is why users are wasting their time fooling with the program without an afternoon of study of the cryptic basics. ArchiCAD might be getting close to how architects work, but the diffusion of tool functionality and the relationships (like grouping) that can be inadvertently created are barriers to simple functionality.

It's a trick!

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:43:16 GMT

Well stated!

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:48:42 GMT

Thank you, Scott, for that excellent graphic depiction of ArchiCAD's TEAMWORK function, added since 1992.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Scott Bulmer — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:02:26 GMT

Dwight,
You're so welcome. I just wanted to enter Active Member status with a memorable BANG!

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:08:12 GMT

My member hasn't been all that active since the operations.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:43:15 GMT

got the tutorial. none of the mp4 files want to play for some reason and I've spent ages trying to get them working...

from what I heard AC was supposed to be much more user friendly than ADT. Can't see it yet, but I will persevere.

I'm not lazy. If anyone wanted to know something I knew on this forum I'd be happy to help and I was hoping to find like minded individuals.

I'll keep trying for the next few days and then post again if I don't get anywhere.

I'm just surprised as I had the impression that AC was so user friendly.

Apologies.

Nicholas

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Dwight — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:56:24 GMT

I hope that you understand that I was teasing you. The giveaway was the Dr. Cox set-up.

Superfically, ArchiCAD is user friendly. Except that you need more knowledge now, than before, to be productive.

I have had similar problems testing the tutorials. Is there no PDF anymore?

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:09:23 GMT

yes D there is a PDF but it has links to mp4 videos all the way through. annoying if you can't get the vids to play.

my point is it'd be nice to find a simple AC tutorial to learn the real basics of the program before delving into the serious stuff.

I'll get there in the end but I find it surprising that there's nothing out there (and I've looked plenty) to guide the complete newbie to the program. I'm up to speed on AutoCad basics because there's basic tutorials out there for that product. Be nice to find the same for AC.

thanks for all your feedback.

nicholas

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

__archiben — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:12:38 GMT

Dwight wrote:
ArchiCAD has CEASED to be an "intuitive" program. By employing more-and-more functionality, the commands become increasingly cryptic, and any productivity strategy more abstract. No more singing "yummy yummy yummy, I got love in my tummy."

amen.

~/archiben

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:03:41 GMT

Hello world.

Graphisoft, can ya hear it?
It's a call out for the written word.
A complete paper manual should be offered, even if it was an
extra cost, I promise I'll buy it, and so will many others.
It is each persons own personal reference guide, with customized
notations.

I've been using PC's for twenty yrs and the printed books are how
we all got here.

Don't just throw us into the void.
Remember college??
Remember highlighting the printed page, then pen underlining,
then the all important doodle?? It brings it to the real world like our
work of actually building, nobody lives in a virtual building.
Get "grounded". Never abandon tera firma.

Please, Please Graphisoft, offer us the softness of a reasonably priced
complete paper manual(s)
logan
Santa Cruz, Ca.

Re: Are roofs always a pain?

Rick Thompson — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:10:25 GMT

baby... you didn't have to upgrade

Dwight wrote:
There was a time, back in 1992, when an architect could sit down with ArchiCAD and draw a building, just like that. It was a lovely melody - a love song. Graphisoft had turned architecture into a video game. The tools WERE intuitive and basic.