topic Re: Wall framing accessory question in Modeling

Wall framing accessory question

Eric Bobrow — Tue, 09 May 2023 12:22:31 GMT

I was trying the wall framing accessory again today, but still can't figure out how to control the location in relation to the framing cavity; it always comes in offset. Am I missing some obvious control? Is there something special that one needs to do with the wall composite reference line?

I can drag the framing into position, but it resets out of the wall cavity whenever I modify a door or window (and it recalculates).

If anyone has some clues for this issue, I'd greatly appreciate your advice.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Barry Kelly — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 00:48:55 GMT

There is no offset that I can see (in the default framing accessory that comes with the goodies add-ons).

Sure you can reposition it in plan, but it will always snap back to the surface of the wall that you linked it to.

Barry.

P.S. Great to have you back on the forum.

Hoping you are fighting fit again now.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 02:39:33 GMT

I ended up just writing my own so I could add sheetrock sheathing and baseboard as well all at once. I always have issues with the stock one not working.

Still needs some work for take offs

https://bit.ly/BIMRithmWallAccessories

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Eric Bobrow — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 04:02:32 GMT

Thanks Barry for confirming that the framing accessory doesn't place the framing in the right location and that it's missing an offset control parameter. I wonder if anyone ever uses it...

Thanks for the friendly greeting as well. I am getting fitter each week, exercising daily (over 150 days in a row since my heart attack in May), and have lost 10 pounds. I intend to keep this routine going, and am looking to see if I can exercise every day for a full year! The Apple watch gives me good feedback, allowing me to see if I've done enough for each day, and rewarding me (with little award icons and positive words) to keep me motivated.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Eric Bobrow — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 04:04:01 GMT

Thanks for sharing this with the community. Would you be interested in being a guest on one of my Archicad USER (https://archicaduser.com) monthly webinars, showing your work and talking shop?

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:06:18 GMT

Absolutely!

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Steve Jepson — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 18:22:26 GMT

If you have moved the generated framing off to the side so you can see it better, and then edit a window or door, perhaps it automatically moves the accessory back to the wall for the sake of regenerating to reflect the changes. ? When it reverts back to be in the wall, it never quite fits either. That is perhaps so you can get a hold of it better to move it back to where you want it ?? In any case, I think the tool is a very nice idea, but it has never been more than just a fun toy for me since it can never do exactly what I want, and as far as I know the framing it generates can not be Scheduled. Can this framing be Scheduled in some way ?

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 22:55:25 GMT

I'm almost through the code needed to list studs on mine.

Just have to add top and bottom plates, blocking, and allocation for stacked windows

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Sat, 06 Nov 2021 21:23:00 GMT

I now have just blocking and headers, then my object "should" have everything needed to calculate lumber.

If you redownload you should see the new parameters and be able to open and check my math if needed.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Steve Jepson — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 00:33:48 GMT

You probably mean Listing. I have no use for Lists because they are not Interactive.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Eric Bobrow — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 02:32:19 GMT

FYI - I opened up the Wall Framing 25 object and did some simple GDL editing to:
1. Add an Offset parameter

2. Edited the 2D script to use this surface_offset parameter (right near the top of the script):

add2 0,-stud_w/2 - surface_offset

3. Edited the 3D script to use this parameter (also near the top of the script):
if ac_refSide then
addy stud_w/2 + surface_offset
else
addy -stud_w/2 - surface_offset
endif

Now the wall framing sits nicely inside the wall cavity at the predefined offset (which should be set to equal the interior drywall thickness).

I found that when following the prompts to "click the side" for where to position the framing, that it worked best when clicking the interior of the building. This allowed the corner options to work properly when using the corner connection with two perpendicular framing pieces.

I did notice that the wall framing code had a small issue with the top and bottom plate for the inside corners, as evidenced in this screenshot - you'll see that the framing for the wall running horizontally ends properly, whereas the wall running up and down (onscreen) has a small offset for the bottom plate (it shows in the top plate as well):

This issue shows up in the original wall framing object; it was not introduced in my code modifications.

I won't be spending any more time on this coding effort myself; I'm sure that @SenecaDesignLLC has done a much more thorough job on reworking this object. However it was interesting to see that such a simple change could actually resolve the main issue - fitting the framing into the wall cavity.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Sun, 07 Nov 2021 03:07:03 GMT

Maybe I am not understanding the difference between a schedule of lumber or a list of lumber?

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Steve Jepson — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 03:53:16 GMT

A List in Archicad speak is not an Interactive Schedule.

I use both for a few things occasionally, but mostly just Interactive Schedules.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

SenecaDesignLLC — Mon, 08 Nov 2021 13:06:24 GMT

So I have my object set up for schedules then not lists.

Listing to me is any schedule that gives you a quantity.

I have never used lists in Archicad

And now my object can schedule headers as well.

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Steve Jepson — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 17:50:01 GMT

I know what you mean. "Listing" is a a word in my vocabulary that means the same as Take-offs. I used to do a lot of that with a Digitizer. Don't know if people these days even know what that was. ? I have never found ArhciCAD "Lists" to be very useful. Interactive Schedules are what I make lists with 🙂

Re: Wall framing accessory question

DGSketcher — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 19:34:30 GMT

You would probably baffle a lot of them with "Drawing Board", "Parallel Motion" and "Drafting Machine"... 😁

Re: Wall framing accessory question

Eric Bobrow — Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:10:04 GMT

Hi SenecaDesignLLC - I would love to have you share your work on the wall framing (as well as anything else you'd like to show) on this Thursday's Archicad USER webinar (https://archicaduser.com). I sent you a private message to arrange a time to talk by phone or Zoom.