topic Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix? in Modeling

Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Richard Morrison — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:15:04 GMT

I was using a SmartParts double door, and noticed that vertical line between the leaves was missing. (It was showing if the door was highlighted, though, so it's "there".) I thought maybe it was a bug in the door object, but then noticed that the Graphisoft double door has the same problem. Any suggestions before I add this as a 2D line in the elevations?

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Stephen Dolbee — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:34:31 GMT

I just had that happen with a Door & Window Builder bi-fold door. Four doors in all, but only one vertical line showed up.

Steve

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

James Murray — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 21:36:28 GMT

I don't have a solution, but 10 has brought changes in surface cleanup. For example, contiguous roofs and slabs clean up in 3D, while in 9 they didn't. Objects too. Prism-based object surfaces will clean up like slabs.

Apparently, it extends to surfaces within objects as well. I have a stone arch door, where the arch is made of separate stones. In 9, I get lines between them, as I would like. In 10, they all clean up.

I would think the pair of doors are touching, and cleaning up. (I couldn't say why one of them wouldn't.)

Some investigation is in order, to determine if the edges can be forced to show, with status codes or whatever. If it's controllable, it would require revised objects.

I wish GS would just say: Matching, adjacent surfaces clean up, full stop. Objects have further flexibility in the status codes.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 01:16:01 GMT

I can confirm that the AC 10 double door does not show the line
between the panels.
I have a double door object and the panels are made with PRISM_
and they show the joint line.

I did some checking concerning prism based objects cleaning-up
with each other when one plane of each object is co-planer and touching
and am having inconsistent results.

Some times two prism based objects clean-up sometimes not.

Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:35:33 GMT

There is a work-around for this door.
Set the 3D opening angle to 0.20°.
Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Richard Morrison — Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:57:28 GMT

That works great! Thanks, Peter!

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:44:12 GMT

I'm also having this problem with the line between the door and frame not appearing (specifically with the Storefront objects, which assume that the face of door aligns with the face of frame). Setting the opening angle in 3D to 0.20 gets me the top line, but not the lines to either side of the doors.

I'm sure this is a condition that will continue to appear (or not appear) with other objects. GS needs to address this, as we cannot be expected to manually add 2D lines to our 3D objects to get them to appear correctly!

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:01:55 GMT

James wrote:
I wish GS would just say: Matching, adjacent surfaces clean up, full stop. Objects have further flexibility in the status codes.

It appears that the former part is true. All co-planar faces of like material seem to clean up to each other. This is of course a major improvent toward giving us the appearance we want in live elevations and hidden line views. It also seems to have brought improvements to sketch rendering.

I'm not sure about the latter bit. It seems that the effect of the new clean-up routines on library parts was not anticipated. One way or another this needs to be fixed.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

James Murray — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:24:06 GMT

Matthew wrote:
All...

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

James Murray — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:25:55 GMT

There's really no excuse for this one.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

James Murray — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:50:13 GMT

One more.

Wait, I could use a profile wall... oh.

And meshes are still totally anti-social.

Not trying to gotcha anybody, but this is a major peeve of mine. Live views of a model for CDs is Archicad's whole thing.

And please, no more undocumented object-breaking GDL changes.

(There's the j5 and j6 status codes, which refer to 'horizontal and vertical edge in line elimination', which sounds promising, but I can't see what they do. They are also present in 9.)

Don't get me wrong, they've made a big improvement in 10. But now that roof surfaces clean up in 3D, doesn't the joint bother you in plan? And on we go.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:53:35 GMT

Hello James,
Your "notthisone.png" image appears to show
the low wall with a different material than
the other walls. Could this explain why it does
not clean up with the other wall ?

Your "nice.png" image appears to show
a resolution out of sync problem that has always
been with us in AC.

You had said in a previous post that in AC 10
PRISM_ based objects now clean up if put side by side
and there surfaces lay in a plane.

As I mentioned I had done some testing and found
no consistency in this.
Please see attached image.

Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

James Murray — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:37:43 GMT

The coplanar surfaces are the same material. The addition of the third wall makes a corner. Corners are special for some reason.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:51:58 GMT

Hello James,
I will have to check this out.
In previous versions this was always a problem
where a low wall extended from the corner of
two higher walls because of the miter outside edge
of the two higher walls.
I thought AC 10 had solved this problem
with the implementation of mitering
of only the portion of the edge that miters
with another wall. But I guess not.
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:04:28 GMT

Hello James,
I guess part of the problem mentioned in this thread is still with us.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=9849
Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:38:39 GMT

I just did some research in the library part D2 10.gsm.
I found the cause of the missing joint line between the two doors.
It does not have to do with co-planer surfaces.
The cause is in a macro called "dp_door panels".
The macro makes a door panel the full width of the finish
inside frame dimensions then cuts it in half twice to form
each panel of the pair of doors.
Problem is all of the cutpolya command's mask values are set to 8
which hides the edges of anything it cuts.
I found that if I changed the value of a variable at the beginning of the
master script called "lev" to equal zero the joint line would appear.
This macro does some goofy things.
probably because it is trying to do too many things
in too many different lib parts.
Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:46:40 GMT

Something of note.
The D2 10 object in the International Archicad library
does not have the missing line problem present in the
US version. The code is much simpler and cleaner
and has fewer layers of macro calls.
Geoff Briggs says that the INT library is superior to
the US library. Maybe us poor besotted US users
should be allowed to easily acquire the INT version.
Peter Devlin

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Rod Jurich — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:01:07 GMT

Peter wrote:
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Please see attached image.

Peter Devlin

Appreciate your work Peter. Mind telling me the font name you use.
Thanks.

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Laura Yanoviak — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:24:09 GMT

Peter wrote:
I found that if I changed the value of a variable at the beginning of the master script called "lev" to equal zero the joint line would appear.

This didn't work for me; regardless, still need a solution for the Storefront objects...

Re: Double doors not separate. Any fix?

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:31:28 GMT

Rod,
The font is called "MrHand".
I thought it was a mac only font but Jay Garbarino uses it
and I think he is on a pc.
Peter Devlin