topic Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again in Modeling

Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 16:21:38 GMT

I am again having a Display problem. I have a ATI 9600 with the latest Driver.

I was having a similar problem with AC8.1 http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=21407&highlight=#21407

And now with AC9. The doors shown is the screen shot are all from the AC9 Library.

This behavior appears after working sometime in AC. I have not "pinned-down" what I may be doing to cause this.

On the next message I will post a screen shot of the same doors after saving the file and re-opening. Trim is now appearing again.

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:16:15 GMT

Here is the screen shot after re-opening the file. I am not closing the AC apllication.

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:59:24 GMT

it appears that the two screen shots are possibly two different scales. Note the lack of double lines for the door leaf. Perhaps the file reverts to a 1/4" scale when reopening?

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

__archiben — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 01:32:39 GMT

Millard wrote:
it appears that the two screen shots are possibly two different scales. Note the lack of double lines for the door leaf. Perhaps the file reverts to a 1/4" scale when reopening?

as millard says - definitely two different scales: you can see the thickness of the leaf, jamb details, etc... in the smaller(larger?) scale one.

but this is good isn't it? by setting the door options to "Scale Sensitive" we can lose a lot of the garbage that just makes them look like a big black smudge at 1:100, whilst it's as clear as day in the 1:50's and beyond . . . all without us having to worry about it?

jay - i imagine the change happens when you switch different views in the viewsets - where different scales are set with each view? you can alter the scale at which this occurs (should you wish!) by opening the object and finding the line (possibly in the master or parameter script) that refers to the global scale . . .

HTH
~/archiben

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:07:20 GMT

Yes it seems like a scale issue....but it is not with me. The scale of the drawing is at 1/4" - 1'-0" for BOTH screen shots. Is all that I did was save the File and re-open it. The display options are from a Floor Plan viewset that is alway 1/4" - 1'-0".

Something is getting "lost" in the way the scale sensitive object is viewed at 1/4" - 1'-0". Sometimes it is detailed (always at first when the drawing is opened), then sometime later it is not detailed even though I am still at 1/4" - 1'-0".

I agree that the scale sensitive setting is a good idea, but it seems to work inconsistently. I will most likely re-save all of my Favorites so that the parameter preference is set to "detailed" and not "Scale Sensitive"

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:51:31 GMT

I just opened the project that I have been working on all day and all week to find that all of my doors are showing the simple version of the door and swing in the plan view. The scale is just the same as it was before.

I started to go through the project and change each door's setting from Scale Sensitve to Detailed. After 20 doors I thought, "This is nuts. Didn't I see a setting somewhere that globally controls at what scale doors and windows appear as simple or detailed when Scale Sensitive is the setting for the doors and windows?

Is there such a global setting?

The scale of the drawings has not changed. Why are my doors and windows suddenly show up as simple when they have been showing up as detailed for the last month?

Thanks,
John

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:16:24 GMT

Postscript...

After reading a few of the posts on this subject I tried the old "quit ArchiCAD and restart". Once I restarted the doors are now showing up the way I want them to. That is with the jambs, trim and door thickness in a 1/4 plan view--even the doors that are still set to Scale Sensitive. Nice to have it back this way.

Next I switched to another story and the problem is back. I shut down again and the problem is gone. All this is a bit of a worry as I have clients coming in tommorrow to look at the project.

I'm thinking that this is a bug. Is the forum monitored for bug reports or should I send a note to GraphiSoft?

Thanks,
John

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:44:11 GMT

Post Postscript...
Back in September Jay had a similar problem that he reported in the forum.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=21407&highlight=scale+sensitive+door#21407

In reporting the problem Jay wrote, "The only change that I have made to my system in the past weeks is to install the ArchiStair and ArchiTerra Plug-ins."

Hey, guess what? The only thing that I did before having this problem was to update and start using ArchiStair 1.05. I'm writing to Fabrizio at Cigraph to ask him if he thinks that ArchStair could be causing this problem. ArchiStair does have a setting for Scale Sensitivity. That is where I saw the setting that I mentioned in my first post. I'm wondering if this is effecting the Scale Sensitivity of the doors?

BTW I am loving using ArchiStair.

For now I'm working around the problem by switching all of the doors and windows to Detailed.
Thanks,
John

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Fabrizio Diodati — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:08:57 GMT

The ArchiStair result, I mean the Stairs, are simple library parts.
When you use the scale sensitivity issue you are simple handling a parameter value... nothing else!

So, I really cannot believe that simple library parts can have any influence on other library parts... which, BTW, are of different type!

Friendly
Fabrizio

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:33:45 GMT

HI John,
Thanks (I guess..) for reporting the same problem. I can not believe that this is not more widespread. Maybe most are not using the Scale Sensitive Parameter. BTW, it happens with doors too. That was were I first saw it happening back in AC8.1, now in AC 9 it happens too.

I hope someone at GS HQ can shed some light........

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:38:25 GMT

Also you may already know that you can select all the doors at once and change the setting. The difficulty comes when you have already set Favorites to have this option. You must select each Favorite, change default option to Detailed (or something other than Scale Sensitive) and then Re-save favorite using the "new" default value.

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Stress Co_ — Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:23:22 GMT

Jay wrote:
I can not believe that this is not more widespread. Maybe most are not using the Scale Sensitive Parameter.

It just started happening to me. All my doors/windows on "scale sensitive".

johncassel wrote:
I started to go through the project and change each door's setting from Scale Sensitve to Detailed. After 20 doors I thought, "This is nuts. Didn't I see a setting somewhere that globally controls at what scale doors and windows appear as simple or detailed when Scale Sensitive is the setting for the doors and windows?

Is there such a global setting?

John, here is a workaround......Select the door tool, select all doors (Command "A" on my Mac), open the "Door Selection Settings" (Command "T") go: parameters> options> 2D detail and change to "detailed". NOTE: If it doesn't change every door, try changing to different setting like "simple",.... "OK" out,.... then repeat, changing the setting to "detailed"....... same deal to change windows.

But..... why is this happening? I was doing Dimensions when it started.

Marc

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:04:48 GMT

I sure wish that Graphisoft was not so silent on this issue. I believe, that this is a bug.

GS, how is the Scale sensitive parameter to be used, and adjusted? The Attached screen show is from the Online help. Not a whole lot is said here. At what scale does the object become Sensitive or "Insensitive"?

GS please respond........

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:43:32 GMT

Jay wrote:
I sure wish that Graphisoft was not so silent on this issue. I believe, that this is a bug.

GS please respond........

Jay,
I've written to GraphiSoft directly and they are looking into this. If/when I hear anything I'll let you know.
John

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

David Tauer — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:50:27 GMT

This is an issue we are working on resolving as soon as possible. In the menatime, here is a workaround:

If one reloads libraries the current the details of the current scale will get fixed but only until a new scale change happens. Then one has to reload libraries again.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience.

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:05:51 GMT

Dave,
Can you inform us as to at what Scale the Detailing is to appear or Disappear? Can this Scale be set by the user?

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:44:04 GMT

David wrote:
If one reloads libraries the current the details of the current scale will get fixed but only until a new scale change happens. Then one has to reload libraries again.

Dave,
I did not understand your answer as my ArchiCAD projects employ at least two or three different scales. Does this mean that we need to reload libraries each time we switch between views with different scales?Would you please explain it again?
Thank you,
John

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:03:52 GMT

I am having the same problem with doors! This needs to be fixed!

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Tue, 03 May 2005 18:01:41 GMT

This has also happened to me and is totally annoying. The whole point of setting the door/window Parameter Option to "Scale Sensitive" is to have the drawing print out appropriately at 1/4" scale, 1/8" scale or at 1-1/2" scale. It is obviously a bug and Graphisoft would do to investigate this bug and issue a hotfix.

I'm a new user and have no Favorites set up yet. I am just testing each particular component to see how it's going to be of benefit. Whilst I am new to ArchiCAD I have extensive experience in other CAD programs and can usually work out how to do something. I'm pretty sure that this is a program bug and not user error!

The drawings are not adjusting the level of detail for the different drawing scales.

Re: Missing 2D elements in Door, Again

Anonymous — Fri, 06 May 2005 04:08:15 GMT

I also am having the problem with the level of detail shown in the doors and windows. When I change to different scales the scale sensitive option is not working as it should. It doesn't turn off the casework detail when I'm at a smaller scale. I have the latest hotfix installed and am on a PC w/ Windows XP.