topic Re: Surface Picker in Modeling

Surface Picker

Rex Maximilian — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:07:23 GMT

Not really sure what to say here... the screen captures say it all:

I believe this is what we have to look forward to in future versions. There has been a devolving of the GUI over the past years, and this one is egregious. I'm not sure who is driving the car at GS when it comes to making these decisions, but they've gone off the road.

I present to you, the Surface attribute picker in 26 vs. 25... Happy scrolling!

Re: Surface Picker

Martin Jules — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:12:47 GMT

This gives me the impression that the developers who worked for Archicad 26 were hired directly from Autodesk and have had great experience working in the Revit interface...

Archicad is losing its smoothness interface looking at the projected image for the version 26 here.

Re: Surface Picker

Eduardo Rolon — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:28:19 GMT

Not the only place that they started hiding information.

Reported as a bug, the answer from GS is that now you have search.

The counter answer were IIRC:

"We already can highlight the names (see screenshot)"
"If that is the case, now we need to memorize the names of every single surface, Bmat, layer, etc"
"Hiding information is bad UI…"

The answer to that was "…we will look into it sometime in the future…"

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Re: Surface Picker

Martin Jules — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 15:36:01 GMT

Graphisoft doesn't need to try integrating some part from Revit every year. They could only request Autodesk for authorization to import the complete Revit's interface into Archicad once and for all.

I remind you that the beauty and originality of Archicad resided in its interface. The version 26 has started destroying it.

Re: Surface Picker

jl_lt — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 19:32:28 GMT

this is really worrying. Its one of the things i liked a lot about Archicad, this extended menu where you could see all your info at once. One of the problems i always see of software companies is this penchant of inovating for the sake of inovating, or its just some manager who needs to report he made something better while failing to recognize what actually works, which is even more worrisome

I might be forced to copy your surface nomenclature though

Re: Surface Picker

Eduardo Rolon — Sat, 23 Jul 2022 19:38:39 GMT

The issue is much worse.

An user that starts in 26 will never know that for almost all of the "flyouts" we didn't need to scroll or guess names.

They broke the UI and if GS "fixes" they will claim it as a NEW/Improved Feature.

Meanwhile all of "old" users paid SSA for removed functionality.

Re: Surface Picker

jl_lt — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 03:18:51 GMT

One simple concept: you cannot search what you don't know or remember

Re: Surface Picker

Rex Maximilian — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 04:20:48 GMT

Certainly those on the beta test team called them on this. If that's the case, then they chose to ignore it.

Re: Surface Picker

DGSketcher — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 09:06:32 GMT

I’m possibly going against the consensus here, but the huge pop outs used to annoy me when trying to find a surface or material. We’re heading in the right direction because it is easier to drill down with folders to find what you need, assuming your attributes are organised. Unfortunately the current implementation of the split hierarchical folder system is a failure and if GS do eventually give us a single hierarchical display they will probably take years to implement an efficient focus, expand, collapse work flow.

Re: Surface Picker

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 11:42:33 GMT

This change is also tied to the new Attribute Palette:

What we had was a Big overview of all attributes were by chance we could "highlight" some of them.
What we needed/wanted/asked for was Tree Organizer to "hide" by choice. Basically an evolution of what we had.

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We didn't get any of those.

AFAIK none of the users in GDC or Beta expected that GS could find a way to screw up the display of attributes.

GS broke it beyond all of our expectations. Like if a client's brief was to design a 2 story house in a small lot and the architect designed a 2 story 100 ft height office block building, and then spent the rest of the design justifying and blaming the client as to why they couldn't have the 2 story house that they asked for.

Re: Surface Picker

Martin Jules — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 13:46:41 GMT

This culture of ignorance and illusion has reigned at Graphisoft for a long time. It is sometimes supported by some users. It is on this basis that the company wants to continue to ignore sensible proposals for Archicad 26.

Re: Surface Picker

Rex Maximilian — Sun, 24 Jul 2022 21:45:32 GMT

I know where every single material resides in the large pop up from months and years of using the attributes. Clicking on the picker, then quickly clicking on the surface takes a second, or two at most. I fear scrolling will waste time like never before... even pausing to type a few letters of the surface will be time consuming when multiplied by the many times we will do it daily.

A really big failing for its users by GS here.

Re: Surface Picker

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 25 Jul 2022 04:08:00 GMT

Don't fear, it is true.

Re: Surface Picker

Rex Maximilian — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 09:25:45 GMT

New Archicad 26 Build 3010 on August 4. No changes here. Still has the truncated surfaces list.