topic Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG in Modeling

Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Fri, 26 Aug 2022 10:49:00 GMT

I created a comparison video between 25 and 26 where you can see the problem between the two versions.

This cannot be considered a bug because it is not something that is triggered with a certain action.

It affects the total workflow of the software and the on-screen quality.

Also you can see that transfering a file from 25 to 26 may change the text box size of the text box that makes the and put part of the text outside the borders.

I am using of 43 4K Dell Monitor

This was detected from other users also.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Barry Kelly — Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:45:47 GMT

@Boldizsar Vermes ,

Could we get your take on this please.

Is this what you consider a fix in Archicad 26 as you mentioned in the GDC forum?

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Fri, 26 Aug 2022 11:54:50 GMT

Ι apologize but I cannot understand your reply. Do you need more info?

I have uploaded a video with what I am noticing.

I have installed the latest 4004 Preview Update for 26 and this is what I see.

Should I test more? Just clarify.

With kind regards.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Barry Kelly — Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:15:08 GMT

I am asking Boldizsar Vermes from Graphisoft to give us an insight if this is a problem he says is actually a fix to the way fonts are handled in Archicad.

Baldizsar made a post about this on the GDC forum that most people here do not have access to.

Apparently up until now, Archicad has been displaying fonts wrong, at least that is what I took from the post Baldizsar made.

26 is supposedly fixing this and displaying fonts as they should be.

There is a Registry key in Windows (this is a Windows only problem) that can set things back as they were.

But this means you must make that registry change for every user account on every machine that will open this file.

That is not really a valid option.

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:28:26 GMT

Thanks Barry.

I realized later that you were replying to Vermes.

The registry fix worked but I thought that the update will fix the problem.

Unfortunately it didn, t

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Boldizsar Vermes — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 09:44:53 GMT

@Botonis, about the antialiasing issue (text changes to gibberish), please contact your local Graphisoft support representative, this requires in-depth investigation.

About the text migration issue (text sticks out of the boundary), Barry said it right, Archicad 26 has been improved to better render texts. This resulted in being closer to WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) display when drawing text, which earlier was not the case for some fonts - different fonts can be affected differently. The text size mismatch can be an issue when migrating projects but not in a new file. As always, migrated projects must be supervised before publishing.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 09:56:31 GMT

Hello Boldizsar.

I am not sure what the local representative can do more. The problem has been already noticed by other users also.

If you cannot reproduce the issue then probably something is wrong with my system (which I doubt) but when I revert to the legacy engine through the registry, the problem is fixed so it must have a connection with this.

Migrating projects to the next version is something common. Our work progress is not following the version release dates obviously, but what we are talking here is just text boxes and not a new element.If we have to take from granted that a migration from 25 to 26 means that the the texts will be mismatched between the two versions this does not sound right.

From you answer I feel that everything is normal and no further action needs to be taken from the developers. So we have to accept that 26 will continue to be problematic in this case.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:32:21 GMT

@Botonis wrote:

Hello Boldizsar.

I am not sure what the local representative can do more. The problem has been already noticed by other users also.

If you cannot reproduce the issue then probably something is wrong with my system (which I doubt) but when I revert to the legacy engine through the registry, the problem is fixed so it must have a connection with this.

Your local tech support is the official channel to get a bug report into the system. They need to work with you to reproduce it (should be easy), and enter it at their end. This Community is not a technical support channel, but a user-to-user forum. There are times when Graphisoft employees such as Boldizsar jump in here, and some rare times when they will enter something into the system. But, that doesn't change the primary bug reporting process... via the distributor for your country.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Boldizsar Vermes — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 19:40:26 GMT

@Botonis, I have never seen this behavior during the development, that's why I ask you to contact your local support representative, they can collect all the data that we need for further investigation.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:16:31 GMT

I have informed my local reseller.

If any user is willing to try and reproduce the issue.

It is really simple.

1. Just make a text box with any kind of font.

2.Set the font size to 0.005

3.Set the formatting to "Model Size"

4.Zoom

In my case you can check the video.

When you change the setting to "Paper size", without even altering the font size the problem dissapears!!!!!. It is like the model size affects viewing.

I deactivated my 4K monitor and used my other one. I even changed the scaling but none of the above stopped this problem.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Fri, 02 Sep 2022 15:35:17 GMT

Greetings @Boldizsar Vermes

The local reseller has reproduced the problem so I guess it will be officially considered a bug to be fixed.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Benjamin Dani — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 16:11:43 GMT

Dear all,

Thank you for your contribution!

With the collected information the falling apart text issue can be reproduced inhouse.

We just made an entry to our database about the problem.

You can refer to it as DEF-10498.

Kind regards,

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Barry Kelly — Wed, 07 Sep 2022 05:54:01 GMT

I have been looking at this a little more, and I feel this is going to be a big problem going forward.

Sure we now have WYSIWYG with regards to text display in 26, which is a good thing - for new text in 26.

But the fact that all older version files will be affected when migrating to 26 is going to be a problem.

Especially for a company such as the one I work for (residential project home builder).

We have up to 1000 active jobs and most new jobs will be based on existing standard plans we have drawn up in earlier versions - there are many 100s of those.

So now any file we open in 26 that uses a font such as 'Calibri', will be affected.

See this example of just part of a plan ...

Of course there are other plan views and many sections and elevations, details, etc, in the same file.

It really is not possible to go through every plan, section, elevation, etc., to check and adjust each piece of text.

Obviously some you will not notice being slightly out of position, but you can see there will be problems.

If you ask me, a change like this should have a legacy option where it can be disabled (not a registry key).

Or it should have been held off for that magical future version where Graphisoft says - we have updated so many tools and and features in Archicad, and re-written so much new code, that it is not practical to update old version files without a lot of manual input.

User beware if you are migrating old plans.

For me this will be a reason not to use 26 with older file, which is 90-95% of all of our files.

Barry.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:50:07 GMT

It is not clear though to which problem this bug refers to. To the text box axis being moved after migrating or to the antialising performance of Archicad 26 (zoom problem, thick lines, giberish text in large scales) or both.....

This should probably be declared as two different bugs.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

torben_wadlinger — Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:54:12 GMT

Well, the point is: with this bug AC 26 is really unusable. How will GS compensate this issue? We are 3 month into this new release, we paid our fee but got stuck with a tool which is unable to do the simplest CAD-things.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Benjamin Dani — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 16:17:04 GMT

Hello,

Thank you for your replies!
I edited my previous comment to be more clear which issue was mentioned.

Regarding the misplaced text issue:

In Archicad 26 the text engine got upgraded which resulted an unexpected error:
Due to some incorrect font attributes some of the non-default/special fonts got offset if they are migrated into Archicad 26.
The issue has been discussed in the past weeks and a fix will be included in UP3 (50xx).

Until that there are multiple scenarios which we want to highlight to help with your workflow:

- Your Archicad project is already migrated to Archicad 26.
If you saw the error and have not tried to fix the text position we suggest using Archicad 25 until the update.
If you moved the text in Archicad 26 you'll be experiencing another misplacement after UP3 (the fix will bring the text into its correct position).

- If you don't want to wait for UP3 change your fonts into one of the default ones.

Thank you for your understanding and sorry for the inconvenience!

Kind regards,

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 03:16:02 GMT

@Benjamin Dani

Thank you for the info. This is good news that the text migration will be fixed.

This is one part of the problem.

The problem with antialising, line thickness, zoom, is more important because it affects all the workflow. Is this going to be fixed with the next update also. The problems in the rendering engine which was updated in 26 was already detected during the beta.

The falling apart text probably is related to the rendering engine. If this is fixed will the other problems related be fixed also?

Any comment on that will be welcome.

With warm regards.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

torben_wadlinger — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 06:22:08 GMT

Thanks Benjamin for your reply. All this could have been avoided, if there were a longer beta-test. But there was only one beta-version and after that there was only silence. AC is more and more becoming banana-ware (ripens at the user)!

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Botonis — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 08:26:45 GMT

The latest 4014 Update is not fixing this problem. Giberish text or line thickness.

It seems that 4014 is the same with 4004.

Still staying to 25.

Re: Archicad 26 Update 4004 Preview - Antialising BUG

Barry Kelly — Tue, 11 Oct 2022 08:58:36 GMT

As Benjamin mentioned the fix is not due until update 3 - build 50xx.

The issue has been discussed in the past weeks and a fix will be included in UP3 (50xx).

Barry.