topic Re: Layout drawing title template in Modeling

Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:49:53 GMT

Can anyone show me where in the menu is the Layout drawing title templates. I have searched all Guides and tutorials and couldn't find it. Thanks.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:11:41 GMT

Benjamin,
Open Navigator, select Layout Book, and you will see
three or four Masters provided by Graphisoft as examples.
Peter Devlin

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:43:56 GMT

Benjamin,
It occurs to me that I might have misunderstood
what you are looking for.
I thought you were looking for a title block.
You may have been looking for drawing titles.
If so, they are enabled in the "Drawing Tool" settings dialog.
If you select one of the drawings you have placed in your layout,
go to the settings and go to the last turn-down tab called "Title",
you can select one of the title types.
Peter Devlin

Re: Layout drawing title template

__archiben — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:14:58 GMT

Benjamin wrote:
Can anyone show me where in the menu is the Layout drawing title templates. I have searched all Guides and tutorials and couldn't find it. Thanks.

to add to peter's comments: titles are no longer based on graphical 'templates' - they are GDL objects. you can script your own or - if your GDL skills are as rubbish as mine - you can still draw them graphically and save as a special object type using the File>Libraries & Objects>Save As Title Type... command.

HTH
~/archiben

Re: Layout drawing title template

Link — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:19:47 GMT

Yes and those titles won't position correctly or contain any parameters at all!

If this doesn't get fixed soon, I'm really afraid it may drive the market forces away from Graphisoft!!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:58:50 GMT

Hello Link,
They have some parameters, I just checked.
I also opened one of those objects
and they have many other parameters that are hidden.
I wonder whether some of those might be some of
the ones you would like.
Maybe you could un-hide those parameters and save
and see if they do anything useful for you.
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Layout drawing title template

Link — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 04:30:08 GMT

Hmmm - mine were showing none at all, but this is a nice realization Peter. Thanks for pointing it out. Now custom and imported titles are starting to look like real ones.

Still seems a bit buggy though. Shouldn't the same parameters be available to us? As you've witnessed, my GDL skills aren't capable of producing it.

Thanks again.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:01:21 GMT

Hello Link,
You don't need to know GDL to un-hide parameters.
Just open the lib part using open by sub-type and select one
from the list inside the "title" sub-type.
In the parameter list at the far left there is an "X" icon. It looks
like an "X" made with a paint brush. Single click on the ones
in black that you want to un-hide.
Work on a copy of course.

I am looking at the image you posted and
you must have the INT version because I don't have
linear drawing title 10.
Where did you get "Links Mangy Title" ?
I don't have one that looks like that.

You say they "were" showing none. Are they now showing ?
What did you do to make them show some parameters ?

Peter Devlin

Re: Layout drawing title template

Link — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:23:02 GMT

Link's Mongy Title is one that I created, please excuse the poor slang.

I was just trying to show that the titles we create or import do not have nearly the functionality that the standard ones do, no matter what AC version you're using. Even when we manually make their parameters visible (as you mentioned). It's like night and day.

It's good to know that they do make some parameters, but I still think they need a lot of improving to be usable. Maybe it's just me that gets these poor results. Do your custom made titles have the same kind of parameters that the ArchiCAD 10 ones do? I though it may have something to do with the subtypes, but it doesn't appear so.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:37:07 GMT

Hello Link,
I have not tried to make my own title as a lib part
because our office does not title drawings this way.
We just type a name and draw a line under it.
The scale is noted in our title block for that sheet.
Peter Devlin

Re: Layout drawing title template

James Murray — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:23:40 GMT

Link wrote:
I though it may have something to do with the subtypes, but it doesn't appear so.

The parameters are only half of it. The confusing part is the 16-team tournament of nested IF/THEN conditions. If this is off and that is on, do this, unless that is also off, then if the other thing is on, do something else. Open up 'NCS Drawing Title 10' 2D script and check out the scene under "! Positioning".

Also. The templates are weak, by which I mean, if you open a GS title, there's a ton of black parameters. They're not in the template, but they're doing most of the work. It's not like a window, where the simplest window will just act like a window.

I never used title types before, precisely because they weren't objects. I used an object placed in the drawing window. With 10, I successfully updated my title object to be a 'real' title, but it was a pain. And I only got it doing exactly what I need; not full service like the shipping titles.

Now, OT. This issue well illustrates the need for a new graphical-parametric object authoring environment. I'm not at all scared of GDL. Code is needed, and they better never take it away. But parametric object-making is too important to be limited to the code-hobbyists such as myself. Anybody might need to make drawing titles, and they're not just GDL, they're pretty advanced GDL. It's not right.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Link — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:47:09 GMT

Peter Devlin said:

Hello Link,
I have not tried to make my own title as a lib part
because our office does not title drawings this way.

Sorry - I thought we were talking about custom or imported titles.

James said:

The parameters are only half of it. The confusing part is the 16-team tournament of nested IF/THEN conditions. If this is off and that is on, do this, unless that is also off, then if the other thing is on, do something else. Open up 'NCS Drawing Title 10' 2D script and check out the scene under "! Positioning".

Oh I hear you James! In fact it's hard to tell GS to make our custom titles have the same parameters as the supplied titles, because there's just so many of them available under different circumstances. Didn't stop me though!

Now, OT. This issue well illustrates the need for a new graphical-parametric object authoring environment. I'm not at all scared of GDL. Code is needed, and they better never take it away. But parametric object-making is too important to be limited to the code-hobbyists such as myself. Anybody might need to make drawing titles, and they're not just GDL, they're pretty advanced GDL. It's not right.

Hear hear! I remember just about falling off my bar stool when I heard GS was making titles GDL parts. I thought about all those poor unfortunate(?) GDL dummies out there (me included) struggling to make their own title types. I thought we were saved with the ability to save our own title types, but that has turned out to be just a teaser.

I'm all in favor of making GDL usable for the people who actually want to use it. I rarely meet an architect who wants to dive into computer programming in their 'spare time'. Not really why they got into architecture I guess.

Big ask though isn't it?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Layout drawing title template

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:28:58 GMT

James wrote:
Now, OT. This issue well illustrates the need for a new graphical-parametric object authoring environment. I'm not at all scared of GDL. Code is needed, and they better never take it away. But parametric object-making is too important to be limited to the code-hobbyists such as myself. Anybody might need to make drawing titles, and they're not just GDL, they're pretty advanced GDL. It's not right.

Amen, brother!

I still think the greatest value of GDL is in making the (relatively) simple parts that just do exactly what you want them to. For my clients I started to look at modifying GS' standard title parts and (as usual) found it much easier to write them from scratch. It took about twenty line of code as I recall, instead or the hundreds to be found in the general purpose ones.

I think that the thousands of line of code in the all purpose parts are another strong argument for making the roll-your-own scenario more viable. Considering the number and persistence of errors in the US library it seems that the old way is becoming unmaintainable.