topic Re: Modify Wall in 9? in Modeling

Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:01:14 GMT

I give up. Deadline approaching, I'm tired, i can't find AC7's Tools > Modify Wall command in AC9. It's the one where you could move a wall's reference line without moving the wall. Where the f..k is it? (and I'm probably an idiot too)

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Anonymous — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:22:13 GMT

Thomas wrote:
I give up. Deadline approaching, I'm tired, i can't find AC7's Tools > Modify Wall command in AC9. It's the one where you could move a wall's reference line without moving the wall. Where the f..k is it? (and I'm probably an idiot too)

You've probably found it by now under the Edit menu

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:34:57 GMT

No. And I'm looking right now. What's happened?

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:43:51 GMT

No Modify Wall here...

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:22:50 GMT

check your work space settings.

In the US version there is no "expert" option.
You have to choose "US Standard Command Layout Scheme" under "Command Layout Schemes"

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=22468&highlight=#22468

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 22:38:10 GMT

I have the Int version. I guess it should be "expert" then. Damn. If i choose that workspace I'll probably lose all the tweaks I've made already. It's back to RTFM i guess. But there's no time....

Thanks!

- I never guessed the full interface was turned off by default. Someone is underestimating our expertise... 😉

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:34:16 GMT

Welcome to the club, I have spent more time in the past few days tweaking AC than working in projects.

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 05 Oct 2004 23:38:11 GMT

I think that you can keep your settings. When you change something in the workspace you will get a custom option then you can click on your saved profile and select redefine ( just like views...)

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

LiHigh — Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:27:52 GMT

Try this:
Option\Work environment\choose customize Menu\apply command layout scheme "expert 9".

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:21:12 GMT

Thanks for all help! I applied the "expert" scheme adn got my Modify Wall option back. Of course i'll have to re-apply my tweaks. As for now, i don't have time, but at least all commands seem available again.

I think it's ridiculous that you have to do this. All commands should be available in all default configurations, although perhaps hidden in sub-menus and such. I did not choose "expert" from the beginning because I don't regard myself as one. Now I realise that everyone has to start with the "expert" mode before customizing your interface, otherwise you don't know what you're missing. THIS SHOULD BE EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE INSTALL DOCS!

Thanks again!

Thomas

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:16:17 GMT

At least you have the expert option. In the US version you can choose between:
Standard 9
US Basic User Preference Scheme 9
US Standard User Preference Scheme 9

And do not get me started on the layers. There is no "lines" layers with those schemes but there is "A-NPLT". Layers should be simple and there is a reason why a lot of people have their particular settings instead of adopting the US Global CAD settings. What I teach my students is that the layer scheme they use has to comply with the following condition: To be simple and logical enough that if another person uses your drawing he can figure it out.
The A-NPLT name is based on AutoCAD's old 8.3 limit naming scheme. Anyway now I have to spend some time tweaking AC again.

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:49:48 GMT

Eduardo,

here in Sweden we have a so-called standard called Point. It's name is based on the most wide-spread Autocad application, which largely still is based on the old Autocad 12-14. Multitudes of layers, all with incromprehensible eight-character names, with POSITION-BASED coding on top, like this:
A-----E-
A-37-EA-
A-45B---
A-46---B
And they're all BYLAYER on top of that. And furthermore, a lot of public institutions, authorities etc have the good taste of breaking their own laws by requiring architects to deliver all files in "Point-compliant" format.

This of course requires Autocad. Their resellers have had a lot of people travelling around the country to talk them into that. Now, it becomes embarrassing for them, because architects using ADT or Revit can't deliver that either.

Still it's fucking shit in my opinion. So don't complain. I think US Global CAD is a mild mediterranean evening breeze compared to this 😉

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Djordje — Fri, 08 Oct 2004 08:45:21 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Welcome to the club, I have spent more time in the past few days tweaking AC than working in projects.

I would advise to start from the Expert (or whatever is the highest level) WE and tweak AS you find something missing, then save as Custom.

Never forget to save it out!

Yes, initially it will take a bit of time ...

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:12:59 GMT

I am not criticizing but my feeling is that by the timewhen I finally get AC09 WE running as perfect as I want them ACX or AC11 will have come out and I would have to start again.

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

__archiben — Sat, 09 Oct 2004 08:56:23 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
I am not criticizing but my feeling is that by the timewhen I finally get AC09 WE running as perfect as I want them ACX or AC11 will have come out and I would have to start again.

i would say that they are an evolving species anyway . . . new things learnt, new features, etc, etc all go toward a continued development of the way you (and i) work.

i'm sure graphisoft will continue to support work environments, build new features (where applicable) in . . . don't forget: you can export it (either the whole profile, or scheme-by-scheme) and take it with you cross-office, cross-platform, cross-upgrade . . .

~/archiben

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Anonymous — Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:17:14 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
ejrolon wrote:
I am not criticizing but my feeling is that by the timewhen I finally get AC09 WE running as perfect as I want them ACX or AC11 will have come out and I would have to start again.
i would say that they are an evolving species anyway . . . new things learnt, new features, etc, etc all go toward a continued development of the way you (and i) work.

i'm sure graphisoft will continue to support work environments, build new features (where applicable) in . . . don't forget: you can export it (either the whole profile, or scheme-by-scheme) and take it with you cross-office, cross-platform, cross-upgrade . . .

~/archiben

I think the new Work Environment feature is great even though I have to redo my keyboard shortcuts. I usually like to revisit this with each new version anyway, and the redo is only a small part of the work of setting up the new environments. The ability to save, share and transport the WEs is really great.

Let us assume that Graphisoft understands this and will continue to support the feature for the foreseeable future. If, for some strange reason, they make us all redo our WEs for version 10, then we can scream and shout and stomp our feet with rage. I don't think this is going to happen though.

Of course there may be some adjustments that we will WANT to make in order to make the most of whatever the new features are.

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Stephen Dolbee — Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:37:09 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
At least you have the expert option. In the US version you can choose between:
Standard 9
US Basic User Preference Scheme 9
US Standard User Preference Scheme 9

Can someone expain the differences? We just upgraded to 9.

Thanks,
Steve

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Eduardo Rolon — Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:24:17 GMT

If I remember correctly:
US Standard User Preference Scheme 9
is the one equivalent to expert.
To verify choose the WE with those prefs and do a right click on any object to see if you have the "multiply" option in the menu.

BTW my comment was a bad joke

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Stephen Dolbee — Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:28:09 GMT

Thanks. We received the software for 9, but the documentation was back-ordered.

Steve

Re: Modify Wall in 9?

Tom Krowka — Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:56:28 GMT

There is another one called "default" in addition to the other three. I'm assuming you found the three settings in the opening dialogue box. I found the default setting enables you to display a multitude of toolbars, but toolbar>display was not available with at least one of the other WE settings. I wonder what the differences are between them, without trying them all out. Anyone know?