topic Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging in Modeling

How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:32:52 GMT

Hi there,

I am generating a floor finish schedule and I would Archicad to show me the belonging zone defined by the zone stamp where the element is positioned.

For example: if I have a wooden floor in the master bedroom, where I have already set up the zone stamp, I would like to see it in the schedule, automatically, in the field "zugehöriger raumname" - associated room name.

At the moment only one element works, I have tried to replicate that element, but it doesn't work everywhere which means that I have to manually type the "associate room name".

I would like to ask: what is the logic that automatically connects a slab element to a zone stamp, and what are the parameters/setting I have to control to display in the schedule the "associated room name".

It is always difficult to explain a technical issue, therefore, I hope I have provided enough information to understand the topic.

Please, let me know if I can provide more info.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Christophe Fortineau — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:47:03 GMT

Hello @Savino,

How did you propagate your zones ?

Did you automatically update these areas or did you draw or adjust your areas ?

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 11:53:46 GMT

Hi Christophe,

I use the zone stamp tool - Raum-werkzeug - by drawing the perimeter of each area: bedroom, toilet, dining area, etc.

I have also made sure that each zone stamps are touching the floor and the ceiling of each room, as you can see on the screenshot.

Thank you.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Miha_M — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:22:38 GMT

The zone doesn't know which border elements it belongs to if you draw the perimeter yourself.

Try using the automatic recognition zone construction method.

Creating Zones | User Guide Page | Graphisoft Help Center

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 14:11:31 GMT

Hi Miha,

I have already tried to use the automatic recognition zoon method but for some reason, it doesn't work, therefore I had to create the zones one at a time, manually.

However, it is strange that all the zones and slabs have been created in the same way but only one works: toilet.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Christophe Fortineau — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:50:47 GMT

Hello @Savino,

Using automatic zones is the starting point. This is the best way to ensure full functionality of the zones. Where are you stuck on this ?

I can help you in French if you need.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 16:56:05 GMT

Hi Christoph,

I do not speak/understand French, but we can try with the translator.

At the moment I have the room stamps in place.
However, I am not in a position to use the automatic process avail by the room stamp tool because I "do not have closed polygon due to their remodeling status."

The part in the bracket is the message I got from Archicad when I tried to remake the room stamp.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Christophe Fortineau — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 17:03:33 GMT

@Savino,

Sorry for my French suggestion (I confused your post with another on the forum). To use the automatic zones in an unclosed volume, all you have to do is place a line and give it an interactive role with the zones. In addition all the 3D elements of the model can act or not act on the zones. it is only a parameter. Automatic zones are essential.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Tue, 20 Dec 2022 18:21:10 GMT

Hi Christophe,

That is a very nice information to know.
Tomorrow I will try to follow your instruction and I will let you know.
Thank you.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Miha_M — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 07:41:18 GMT

For model consistency it is important that you have propper connections between elements. Not only, but also for using automatic zone placement. It might be a bit more difficult to model in this way, but you really should do it. For example, if you need to divide two connected rooms into two Archicad zones, you shouldn't have just a wall gap between them, but you should use an empty opening for that.

If there is no way for you to get a closed zone perimeter than you should use a line or polyline on some otherwise hidden layer, with which you define the zone perimeter, but you need to assign that to this line, as shown here:

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:39:09 GMT

Christophe and Miha,

Thank you once more for sharing these valuable information.

I have re-created the zones by following your suggestions but the schedule still doesn't perform as I would like to.
To be clear: the schedule still doesn't show automatically the belonging zone where the specific slab is located. I still have that value-added manually.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Christophe Fortineau — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:49:37 GMT

Hello @Savino,

Did you check your zones in 3D view ? Do they touch the slabs ?

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:54:19 GMT

Hi @Christophe Fortineau ,

I meant to say before: yes, I made sure that the zone stamp touch the ground.

Also, I do not know if this is relevant but the file lives on the cloud as I am working in Teamwork.

Archicad often offers this type of challenge and it is hard to understand the root of the problem.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Miha_M — Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:33 GMT

How do you set your floor types? By modeling a floor structure above a structural slab or by defining the floor type in the zone tool settings (no modeling)?

Could you post a screenshot of the schedule settings? Which Zone Stamp library element are you using? In the GER library I have Raumstempel DIN / ON / SIA?

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Thu, 22 Dec 2022 12:15:29 GMT

My floor types are defined by a slab element and by the zone tool, as well.

The zone stamp I am using is Raumstemple ON 25.

Thank you, Miha.

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Miha_M — Fri, 23 Dec 2022 08:26:07 GMT

Your Schedule is an Element Schedule. The Related Zone Name (Zugehöriger Raumname) you are trying to read is the actual Zone Name parameter of any used Zone Stamp. The Related Zone Name is a General Listing Parameter and you can read more about it's relations here.

I have re-created your Schedule, but I couldn't resolve where you pull the "Boden" data from, so I replaced it with the Top Surface parameter. I get the Related Zone Name without any problems, but if you manipulate the Zone data there are some things you need to consider - you need to close the Schedule, update the changed zones, and then re-open the Schedule - this way the Schedule will rebuild from current Data. If you change the Zone Name parameter and just switch to the Schedule window the Schedule doesn't rebuild the changed Zone data.

As @Christophe Fortineau said, your Zone bottom surface has to border the top surface of the Floor Slab (I think it will also work if the floor slab element is within the Zone volume).

Re: How to connect floor element to zone belonging

Savino — Wed, 18 Jan 2023 14:24:53 GMT

Dear Miha,

I appreciate the effort you put into understanding my issue and I apologize for my delay.

However, the issue is still there in my file which, at this point, I believe is related to something greater.

In the time to come I will try to generate another file, not with Teamwork though, and see what happens.

Thanks.