topic Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements in Modeling

Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Voytek — Fri, 19 May 2023 20:37:18 GMT

Could anyone please advise how to omit Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements in AC25. I just would like to show Beam and Column. Thanks.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Barry Kelly — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 06:43:57 GMT

In the schedule selection criteria, add a field 'Element type IS beam' or 'Element type IS NOT beam segment'.

Just depends how you want to do it.

The same goes for the column.

Barry.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Voytek — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:24:11 GMT

Thank you Barry for the quick response and another helpful reply.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:53:55 GMT

Hello,

When there are simple rectangular beams and Huanch beams (contains 3 segments) designed with segment option,

then it is not possible to list all beams in one single schedule. I have to list Hunch beams separately.

Is there any solution for it?

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 01 Oct 2021 18:27:24 GMT

Could you show us a screenshot of how the Scheme Setup Dialog is set up and what is the resulting Schedule?

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 07:21:48 GMT

Hi Laszlo Nagy,

Here are screen shots.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Laszlo Nagy — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:17:22 GMT

Change your Criteria so it is:

Element Types IS Beam OR

Element Type IS Beam Segment

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Sun, 03 Oct 2021 05:00:19 GMT

Hi Laszlo Nagy,

Here is I am sending screenshot by doing changes as you suggested though I have already tried it before.

Fields marked with arrow are not needed but still they are being listed, thus making quantities double or extra. (Same problem is coming with Coumn schedule too)

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Barry Kelly — Sun, 03 Oct 2021 08:37:19 GMT

That is because in your criteria you have both beam or beam segment.

A beam is a beam and has beam segments - that is why they are listing twice.

You want just one in you criteria.

If you want just the entire beam, just use beam.

If you want info on each beam segment, then use beam segment.

Barry.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Sun, 03 Oct 2021 11:06:31 GMT

Hi Barry Kelly,

Thanks for suggestion but if you see earlier post in this thread, i have done it that too.

This problem occures when simple rectangular beam and segmented beams comes together in a project and we need schedule for simple beam as normal but for segmenetd beam we need listing for individual segment.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Laszlo Nagy — Sun, 03 Oct 2021 19:38:46 GMT

Modify the Element IDs of those Beams and Beam Segments so that the Element ID of those Beams and Beam Segments you do not want in the Schedules have a certain value, then add to the Criteria:

Element ID "IS NOT" <whatevervalue>

Then, those Beams and Beam Segments that have <whatevervalue> for Element ID will not be included.

If you do not have to use the Element ID for this, you can also create a new Property, make it available for Beams, and use that, set one value for Beams and Beam Segments you want to be included in the Schedule, and set another value for Beams and Beam Segments you do not want to be included in the Schedule. Then modify the Criteria to filter out the Beams and Beam Segments you do not want in the Schedule.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 04:44:17 GMT

Thank you so much!

Finally got the answer by both ways.

Actually, I have tried this by using ID option but may be I was making mistake somewhere in scheme setting dialog box.

Sharing both screen shots here.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 04 Oct 2021 17:04:53 GMT

The AND and OR logical operators have priorities: the AND logical operation is executed before the OR logical operation.

You need to put your two "Element Type" criteria in parentheses, and also put your two "Element ID" criteria in parentheses:

If you don't use parentheses, then the following will be included in the Schedule:

1. All Beams

2. All Beams Segments the Element ID of which start with "BEAM"

3. All elements the Element ID of which start with "HA"

However, if you use parentheses like on the above screenshot, then the following will be included in the Schedule:

All Beams and Beams Segments the Element ID of which starts with "BEAM" or "HA".

Actually, from your previous screenshots, this may not even be what you want. Maybe you want the following will be included in the Schedule:

1. All Beams the Element ID of which starts with "BEAM".

2. All Beams Segments the Element ID of which starts with "HA".

Let me know if this is the case.

Re: Omitting Beam Segment and Column Segment from Schedule of Elements

ratnabhirud — Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:31:32 GMT

Yes, I will keep parentheses part in my mind.

Element ID criteria option is good and what is needed here.

Thank you so much!

There is another issue regarding listing, I will come up soon with screen shots.