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Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

archislave — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:01:16 GMT

The Beta of the OSX universal release is running fast and stable on a Macbook with 512 mb ram. I would say it is almost equal to the iMac G5 with 1.5 gb ram!

The one thing that puzzles me about the beta is that it seems to have a totally different menu structure and does not seem to have a measure tool. It also did not seem to ship with templates or the default icon strip at the top. I don't know if it is because it is a work in progress or if I a missing something in my installation.

I think it is ready as far as speed and stability go!

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:39:21 GMT

archislave wrote:
The Beta of the OSX universal release is running fast and stable on a Macbook with 512 mb ram. I would say it is almost equal to the iMac G5 with 1.5 gb ram!

I too am finding it very fast on my MacBook Pro.

BTW: It is not a universal binary. It is a separate Intel native version which will not run on PPC.

The one thing that puzzles me about the beta is that it seems to have a totally different menu structure and does not seem to have a measure tool. It also did not seem to ship with templates or the default icon strip at the top. I don't know if it is because it is a work in progress or if I a missing something in my installation.

I haven't seen any major differences in the default work environments. You might want to check to see which one you have loaded. Of course, you can always change it to your heart's delight.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

__archiben — Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:54:44 GMT

here's some feedback:

don't try opening an AC10 intel-saved file (10.000 m /943) with the PPC version of AC10 if you value your entire layout book structure and master settings.

thanks a bunch mr graphisoft.

~/archiben

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:34:34 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
here's some feedback:

don't try opening an AC10 intel-saved file (10.000 m /943) with the PPC version of AC10 if you value your entire layout book structure and master settings.

thanks a bunch mr graphisoft.

~/archiben

Now there's a major problem for an office to upgrade it's computers slowly to the macintel line!

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

owen — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:05:14 GMT

I assume its reproducible all the time? What about the view sets? Just wondering as it sounds similar to All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Fortunately this doesn't seem to be an easliy reproduced bug .. for me at least.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

__archiben — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:12:14 GMT

owen wrote:
I assume its reproducible all the time? What about the view sets? Just wondering as it sounds similar to All views and layout subsets vanish upon opening project

Fortunately this doesn't seem to be an easliy reproduced bug .. for me at least.

it's a template file i've been spending (a lot of) time on recently. i haven't defined the views yet - just the standard layout hierarchy - it has over 100 layouts in it. maybe there's a 'i-can't-handle-anymore' cut off?

i've tried saving and saving as..., opening on my own computer running AC10PPC in rosetta and on the rest of the office machines running AC10PPC natively.

i think this is a very similar bug to james', but luckily nowhere near as nasty in the severity stakes . . . more so because it's not a file that's in 'production' than anything else . . .

~/archiben

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:56:32 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
don't try opening an AC10 intel-saved file (10.000 m /943) with the PPC version of AC10 if you value your entire layout book structure and master settings.

Yikes! I guess it's good that my primary clients are on Windows. I'm having no problems so far, and the pesky library problem in AC9 is gone.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:29:15 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
don't try opening an AC10 intel-saved file (10.000 m /943) with the PPC version of AC10 if you value your entire layout book structure and master settings.
~/archiben

This is frightening so I saved a 48mb pln w/ 80 layouts sheets to my MacBook and re-opened on my G5. No loss of data, sheets or master settings. I did the same to the corresponding 80mb pln w/ views linked to the layouts; again, no loss of view sets or data. This project was converted from AC9 (80mb pln w/ 250mb lbk), so as a precautionary step, we converted the plans & view sets to one pln (reduced from 52mb to 12mb) & the plotmaker lbk to a separate pln (250mb down to 48mb)

As for speed, the new native version on my MacBook is definitely speedier than w/ the rosetta translator, but slightly slower in generating elevations/3D (tip: avoid seo'd columns) than my G5.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

__archiben — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:43:58 GMT

maybe someone could try my file? i've stripped it out of all information except for master settings and the layout/sheet organisation structure. it's been re-saved and tested again here with the same result: if you open it with the intel (10.0.0 RC1 INT (943)) build the layout structure and master settings are retained, if you open it with any PPC (10.0.0 v1 INT (817)) build everything is lost . . .

it's too big to attach here (571Kb) so anyone willing to give it a whirl may find it in my dotmac public folder (Finder: Go>iDisk>Other User's Public Folder... member name: "archiben", password: "archicad") . . . below is what the layout book hierarchy should begin to look like.

i'd appreciate anyone being able to either confirm whether or not it happens in their setup. i can at least then start looking for the problem in the right places . . . cheers!

(i agree that the intel build is fast though!)

~/archiben

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Aussie John — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:48:30 GMT

Millard wrote:

Now there's a major problem for an office to upgrade it's computers slowly to the macintel line!

dont forget the release is a beta. I would want it be tested well before using it mainstream

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Aussie John — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:55:11 GMT

~/archiben wrote:

i'd appreciate anyone being able to either confirm whether or not it happens in their setup. i can at least then start looking for the problem in the right places . . . cheers!

~/archiben

Just a list of layouts - no subsets
Masters are at the bottom though

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

__archiben — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:47:52 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Just a list of layouts - no subsets
Masters are at the bottom though

and all masters are the same size, and none with drawing grids set up . . . ?

do you have an intel archicad to open the same file with . . ?

so do i have a corrupt file, or is there something in the intel file format that is messing with the PPC version of AC?

graphisoft?

~/archiben

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Aussie John — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:52:14 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
and all masters are the same size, and none with drawing grids set up . . . ?

do you have an intel archicad to open the same file with . . ?

so do i have a corrupt file, or is there something in the intel file format that is messing with the PPC version of AC?

graphisoft?

~/archiben

Hi Ben
all the Masters are A1 and blank
I only have PPC version of the software and running on G5
Seems to be a bug rather than a corrupt file.

Attached is the bottom half of the layout list
good luck

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

James Murray — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:55:33 GMT

I have identical results to John.

It looks exactly like this. All Nav items gone, layouts remain, generic masters, definitely occurs on opening. Mine is all PPC though.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

owen — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:19:52 GMT

Yep thats what I got ... PPC only here too

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:48:00 GMT

Ben,

It opens fine on my Mactel machine - hierarchy is intact. My PowerBook has been handed on to my partner so I can't easily test that, but there seems to be plenty of confirmation by others. I'll try it in WinXP when I get to work.

I guess this is why they are calling it a public beta.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

James Murray — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:08:42 GMT

Hm. Broken on Mactel for me. (My coworker got one.)

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:58:35 GMT

Ben, Here's what I did with your file:
1. Open/close on MacBook - view map files/subfiles intact
2. Open above file on G5 - same results as others above.

3A. Close file on G5 without saving, re-open on MacBook - original view map folders/subfolders intact as original.

3B. Save on G5, close, re-open on MacBook - view map is now gone, layout book subfolders gone.

I have repeated this process again with a project originating in AC10 and the view map & layouts remains intact, so this is not a bug for me.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:12:31 GMT

Opening in WinXP on my MacBook Pro - hierarchy is now gone.

Strange stuff, this. I am not having any problems of this sort with any file; whether converted from AC9 or started new. But I have no PPC machines in the mix.

Re: Archicad 10 MacTel Beta Feedback

__archiben — Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:12:15 GMT

ok. i opened the file with the PPC version, lost my layout hierarchies, etc... james, i hadn't realised that my views had gone too because i hadn't 'created' any - but i realise now that placing project indexes meant some views had been automatically generated - they're also missing. maybe this is the same bug?!

so: i faithfully recreated my layout hierarchy from the PPC version of archicad, saved and opened with the mactel. all OK. saved with the mactel and re-opened with the PPC version. all OK. deep. breath.

i have a feeling that the bug is the same, or extremely similar, to james': not caused by the intel<>PPC translation, but by some other trigger. the fact that it opens OK in the intel version probably means that it's a file format bug that they've already got nailed in the intel build . . ? doesn't bode well for multi PPC/intel platform offices if it should happen before the first PPC patch comes out . . .

please can we have some feedback on this, graphisoft?!

~/archiben