topic Re: Degenerated Polygons in Modeling

Degenerated Polygons

Patrick M — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:35:29 GMT

I see this topic has been broached several times, but rather than resurecting a 5 year old thread that was basically un-answered, I'll pose the question myself.

I have a series beam with a custom profile applied. The session report is showing degenerated polygons for all these beams. The profile has no folds or weird nodes. The beams have a rotation and slope, but have not been stretched, and there are no additional modifiers in the profile.
I've seen this on other projects as well, and am hoping someone can shed some light on why beams with complex profiles are regularly reporting degenerated polygons.
(this is kind of critical, as it seems that degenerated polygons are excluded from IFC exchange)

Re: Degenerated Polygons

Tim Ball — Sat, 12 Aug 2023 08:34:42 GMT

I use complex profiles extensively but haven’t encountered this issue for years now

Re: Degenerated Polygons

DGSketcher — Sat, 12 Aug 2023 15:27:52 GMT

I don't know how accurately you are modelling, but I have read somewhere in the past that dimensional tolerance can be a problem at small dimensions e.g. if the conversion software rounds everything to the nearest mm then you may end up with 2 surfaces occupy the same plane with zero volume.

The other well reported issue with Custom Profiles is their automatic conversion of arcs to minimal flat faces with questionable resolutions. Are you possibly using filleted profiles with small radii either through drawing or from imported profiles?

I can't recall any situation where AC has suggested my custom profiles have resulted in degenerated polygons.

Re: Degenerated Polygons

Barry Kelly — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 01:33:54 GMT

It is hard to say what the problem may be without the particular profiles.

Can you place a few problem beams, select them in plan, and save them as a module?

the attach the mod file here (you may need to zip it to attach).

Barry.

Re: Degenerated Polygons

JeffH — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 18:59:06 GMT

I almost always end up seeing the degenerated PG's in our complex profiles at the modeled flashing and copings, where we want the detail to be as thin as possible.

It usually ends up being a very minimal width...So we have instituted an "-All Fills need to be at least 1/8" -" policy for our office when it comes to our Complex Profiles.

once the fills are enlarged, the issue usually goes away...But many in our firm like to also have multiple fills overlapping.

Those are the 2 biggest culprits I have seen for Complex profiles with degenerated polygons.

Re: Degenerated Polygons

Patrick M — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:38:40 GMT

I will try redoing the profile again, and maybe instead of tracing the profile, I'll draw it from scratch to ensure numeric input is not rounding to 1/265" or something

Re: Degenerated Polygons

Patrick M — Tue, 15 Aug 2023 21:39:55 GMT

this is actually a super chunky profile. One fill only. Thinnest part is something like 1/2"
Could be the curve on the nosing/drip edge; but thats a 1/4" radius