topic Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer in Modeling

Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Ian_Forbes_Architect — Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:18:48 GMT

I wonder if anyone knows where I can find a Standing Seam object to be used as a wall accessory that allows me to set custom sheet cladding width and depth dimensions, similar to what we have for Roof accessories. I have found several objects on BIM Object, but they all have fixed dimensions.
I need this not only for several facade details but also for 3D visualisation purposes.

I already tried using the Cadimage covering tool object, but it did not work for me.

I would appreciate it a lot if anyone could enlighten me on how to do it or find a solution.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Lee Hankins — Mon, 27 Nov 2023 20:27:53 GMT

I’ve achieved that in the past by creating a ‘wall finishes’ or similar named layer and using the polygon wall tool option and manic want to trace the profile and apply the standing seam cladding panels as a finish for both 2D documentation and 3D visuals. It’s quite memory intensive so having it on a separate layers allows them to be turned off.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

DGSketcher — Tue, 28 Nov 2023 08:41:28 GMT

Using the Curtain Wall tool could be an option to create the zinc with an opening? The panels would form the sheet and the framing the seams. It should be possible to use in any flat location. I'm sure I read you can form a hole in the wall area, just can't find the help at the moment.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Tue, 28 Nov 2023 09:17:25 GMT

Maybe this can help?

https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Libraries-objects/GDL-for-Wall-accessories-addon-using-profiles/m-p/249315

It is an object that works with the wall accessories, made by @Hmooslechner (Heimo)

You can create any profile shape as far as I know.

Object download links are in the youtube video info.

The object itself is in the .BPN file (I am not sure why it is a .BPN file, but it works).

I am not sure if this is the latest version he made or not.

You may also find it is in German language.

I have actually been playing with it myself and have tweaked it a little and translated it into English for my own use.

I am not sure if I did all I was going to, but it appears to be working.

I have tagged Heimo into this conversation and if he gives his permission, I am happy to attach the object here.

I don't think this is the one where you can draw the profile in the object itself - that may be another object Heimo made, or I may have turned that feature off.

But you can create your own profiles in the Profile Manager and use those.

The image above is actually the stair tread profile that comes with the default template.

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

DGSketcher — Tue, 28 Nov 2023 11:02:18 GMT

This was created with the curtain wall tool with a solid panels and profiled mullions... The opening is unfortunately stuck as an SEO e.g. you can't create an opening in the panel directly, although you could split it in two and wrap it around the opening which may be better suited to 2D presentation.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Lingwisyer — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 04:04:00 GMT

I too have used Hiemo's object a few times. It works pretty well in most cases.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:01:34 GMT

I have just checked with Heimo and he is happy for me to share his object in English.

I can't remember exactly what changes I made, I think I may have added a default corrugated surface and a few others (might be specific to Australia).

And it is probably set up to use my template attributes (fills, line types, materials, etc.

Object is attached here in a zip file.

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Ian_Forbes_Architect — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 10:48:17 GMT

Wow., this is amazing! The smart object works perfectly for AC25/AC26/and AC27.
I am pleased with your help and all the community support. You guys are incredible. I wish you all the best.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 01:32:57 GMT

@Ian_Forbes_Architect wrote:

The smart object works perfectly for AC25/AC26/and AC27.

I forgot to say, it was scripted in version 22, so will work for all versions 22+.

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 03:49:08 GMT

It is not for nothing that @Hmooslechner was inducted into the Archicad User Hall of Fame:

https://www.digital.skewed.com.au/about/archicad-hall-fame

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:20:51 GMT

An updated version that works with complex profiles.

I can't remember if the other version I posted did that or not.

I may have tweaked something else as well (I am always tinkering).

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Lingwisyer — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:08:45 GMT

The original one did. With joints? Hm...

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:19:42 GMT

Actually I think it did.

In this latest version I adjusted the positioning of the profile and allowed for it to be flipped front to back or side to side, to save creating new profiles.

Also allowed you to use different profile types (object, beam, column, rail and wall) just in case you have a profile already set up but was not saved allowing it to be used with objects.

I really should document the changes I make!

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Lingwisyer — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 01:32:21 GMT

Oh yeah, that was one issue with the original; the orientation was set to your wall direction.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

furtonb — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:56:32 GMT

Hi,

I have trouble using the object, the profiles won't show up. The steps I did:

1. Load the accessories library (I also had the Fassaden Extras for the original German object)

2. Select a wall in 3D then use the Wall Accessories feature

3. Select the .gsm from your comment and try to use a custom profile:

It should have it displayed, as it is available for all types:

Any ideas? Thanks!

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

Barry Kelly — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 12:15:42 GMT

That is strange.

It works in every version up to 26 (it was written in version 22).

But not in 27 or 28.

I haven't really been using those versions so never noticed.

I thought it might be to do with profiles having folders, but 26 has the folders as well and it works there.

For me it still uses the default profile the object is set to, even though it can't see it in the list of profiles.

But unless you have a complex profile with an attribute of 400, you will see nothing.

I will have to investigate a bit on this one.

Barry.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

runxel — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:40:48 GMT

That's a long standing bug GS never cared to fix.

In the "All Parameters" view GDL can not "see" any profiles anymore, BUT it still works when using a custom UI – that's why most people never ran into this issue, since in all OOTB objects with profile access the UI is always scripted.

Probably a "good enough" in GS' books, so this will surely line up in the hall of bugfame for the decades to come.

Re: Standing Seam as wall accessory like the Roof Surfacer

furtonb — Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:45:13 GMT

...:)

Thanks @Barry Kelly and @runxel for looking into it. In the meantime I've finished with Rhino & Grasshopper.

If someone needs to model wavy facade panels, I recommend this thread to start with, the resulting (GDL) objects are rather lightweight:

https://discourse.mcneel.com/t/sine-around-a-curve/147143/3

With some small modifications it's quite fast to cover a whole building (and thanks to the phase shifting of the sine wave, visually more appealing). You can use placeholder elements from AC to define input curves (practically a reference line and height).

Speckle was also very useful - on a related note, is Rhino 8 supported by AC27?

I didn't make the switch to AC28 yet.