topic Re: Wall End refuses to clean up in Modeling

Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Mon, 18 Dec 2023 17:17:51 GMT

Not sure how to solve this or why it is happening. All the interior walls are cleaning up well in plan except for this one junction (see attached picture). Same layer, same junction order, and I have played around endlessly with the reference lines, and still, there is a line appearing at the junction. If I move the wall more to the left, the line disappears; but close to that corner, I cannot get rid of it.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Todd Thomas — Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:35:58 GMT

Hi,

I can't tell you why it is doing it but if you flip the horizontal wall so the ref line is at the top it should fix it.

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Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 18 Dec 2023 22:55:21 GMT

The 2010 workaround should still work:

https://onland.info/archives/2010/07/fixing_wall_corners_with_columns.php

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 00:08:44 GMT

Hi Todd--

I accidentally accepted your response as the solution - but it is not. Like I said, I have tried every reference line scheme, and all this one does is make the exterior concrete/furred wall act strangely too (the vertical wall keeps going even when intersecting with the horizontal one i.e. this corner doesn't clean up correctly either

). See below:

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 00:30:55 GMT

Nifty trick Eduardo! Thanks for the link.

I have composite walls, so setting the column to be the same material as the wall is not an option in this case. However, I did the experiment of converting the composite walls to basic structure, and the problem goes away then. I wouldn't accept this as a solution.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 02:14:50 GMT

This is why you will use a composite column to solve this kind of case.

You can create a composite column by defining a marquee around the problematic junction and copying to the complex profile.

Now is it acceptable? 😉

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Lingwisyer — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 02:40:56 GMT

They are the same Composite right? And there is no wall overlapping from above or below?

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

mthd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 02:51:04 GMT

Hi RP, I guess you have also tried getting the reference lines on both walls to line up exactly using numerical offsets ? I haven’t tested it myself yet but I would try that option to see if it may work ?

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 03:46:59 GMT

Composite Column? Do you mean a Complex Profile Column Eduardo? There is no way to create a Composite Column that I know of.

Also, how do you define a 'marquee' around the junction? The onland.info instructions refer to a creating a fill over the problematic intersection to create the profile - but again, this is in a basic structure.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 03:48:40 GMT

I did it again - accidentally accepted your solution Lingwisyer.

Yes they are both the same Composite walls and there is nothing over or below overlapping.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 03:54:38 GMT

Hi mthd ---

Not sure what you mean - if you meant this - I offset the reference lines -3" and end up with this result:

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

mthd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:18:13 GMT

Hi, select the first wall, go edit, reference line and plane, modify wall reference line, offset to desired amount. Do the same for the other second wall, till both reference lines are exactly in line with each other.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 04:38:36 GMT

Thanks for your input mthd. I know how to modify wall reference lines - in fact, I have created a shortcut to it because I use it so much to clean up wall intersections. What I don't understand is which reference lines you are asking me to line up. Can you show me graphically? Here is the wall intersection in question again with and without reference lines on.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

mthd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:02:17 GMT

So in the bottom picture you have above, the black reference lines with the arrows in them pointing down. I wondered if they were exactly in line, would they clean up the wall for you ?

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Barry Kelly — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:03:20 GMT

Are you sure your reference lines are all touching?

They don't appear to be, at least they don't look the same as mine.

Barry.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

mthd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:06:54 GMT

Hi RP, I will step aside and let the Archimaster Barry Kelly help you. I think he means to extend your top wall down till the reference lines meet ?

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:11:21 GMT

Here you can see the reference lines with walls selected. How do you get the vertical top wall 'exactly' in line as you say? As in the second screenshot? Here I have offset the reference line to line up with the vertical wall below - as you can see, not a good result.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Rene Pahlavan — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:12:54 GMT

Hi Barry - thanks for chiming in. The reference lines are touching. Same composite walls on the same layer - all the same heights with nothing overlapping below or above.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

Barry Kelly — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:19:37 GMT

OK, let's try something.

Select those 3 walls, FILE menu > External Content > Save selection as a module.

Now ZIP that .MOD file and attach it to a reply post here (I am not sure if you can just attach a .MOD file directly).

Then we will have exactly the same walls as you.

Barry.

Re: Wall End refuses to clean up

mthd — Tue, 19 Dec 2023 05:28:21 GMT

Try putting your blue reference line on the top wall to the outer edge or the far right hand side.

Then offset your bottom wall’s reference line by (40mm approximately by the looks) or the exact amount it takes to line up the blue lines exactly.