topic Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable in Modeling

Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Thu, 15 Feb 2024 15:42:50 GMT

Hi!

I will try my best to explain the issue with fills I have.

We add fills on top of elevations, for tiles it’s important that the fills (tile size) is layer out logically. By logically I mean that if I have space 24x12, and I use tile that is 24x12, that it will use for that space only one tile instead of two.

so far I tried all different “layout options” from the archicad selection but neither one would fit the tile in the space that is designed for the tile. It’s important for us for the tile to be well layed out so the trades understand it, they would not guess it’s random and would make mistakes.

if the fills aren’t working like this we would have to do all of this manually, and then I could as well just use sketchup for free ..

does anyone have solution for this?

in photo attached the tile is as mentioned 12x24” and the width for the space is 24”, so why it doesn’t show just one tile?? (Layout setting/spread doesn’t help)

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Scott Boyd Turner — Tue, 13 Feb 2024 23:33:55 GMT

This is easily achievable:

turn on fill handle display

set fill origin to 'Link to Fill Origin'

drag origin to where you want the fill pattern to start

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Nathan Hildebrandt — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 00:23:35 GMT

For elements in plan with a cover fill what Scott has shown is the best way to get plans to represent the tile or product layout correct. For elevations I suggest going into the 3D window and using the align 3D command. Make sure that you have the element selected first before selecting the command. Then you can set your setout point for the tiling on the walls, removing the need to overlay 2D fills for tiles on your internal elevations.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 00:40:31 GMT

hi! Thank you for your response! I followed all, including turning on the fill handles which I hadn’t had on. But not working :/// this is what happends when I set it up to origin, and I confirm the tile is 24x12 .. I also tried the other options to layout … still showing 2 tiles instead of just one . how come? 😞

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Nathan Hildebrandt — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 00:43:31 GMT

I would go into the fill setting and check the grid size that has been set for the fill. One other thing to note which isn't a big thing, you have it set to cut fill, rather than cover fill. May not change things unless you have graphic overrides set up for specific views.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Barry Kelly — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 00:49:37 GMT

@Nathan Hildebrandt wrote:

For elevations I suggest going into the 3D window and using the align 3D command. Make sure that you have the element selected first before selecting the command. Then you can set your setout point for the tiling on the walls, removing the need to overlay 2D fills for tiles on your internal elevations.

The only problem with this is it will affect both sides of the wall.

So if you have a surface with a hatch pattern on the other side of the wall, it will move as well.

Works fine though if you only have a surface that has a hatch pattern on one side of the wall only.

Make sure you have 'vectorial hatching' option turned on in your elevation settings.

It will also affect the texture image (bricks, tiles) that you see in 3D with the Hardware acceleration (OpenGL) engine.

So 3D images will look good as well (but again maybe not on both sides of the wall).

Barry.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Nathan Hildebrandt — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 01:06:57 GMT

True. This is why I always model my wall and floor finishes as separate elements. 🙂

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 01:55:49 GMT

thank you for letting me know! I am not as far as graphic overrides yet lol 😄 I looked at the tile setting and this is what I got. Do you see anything unusual that can affect the way the layout is laid?:D

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 01:58:02 GMT

YOU ARE MODELING WALL AND FLOOR FINISHES???????? 😭 Omg i hope this is not standard. I still do my elevations old school, aka autocad. I prefer it and it's faster for me (we do visuals externally in another software so I don't mind). But... I still hope that the generic stuff, such as fills and such can be easily figured instead of modeled. I can't believe you are modeling it actually

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Barry Kelly — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:00:34 GMT

When you want a scaled hatch pattern like tiles, you want the fill to be set as "Scale with Plan"

Then the pattern size should be set to reflect the size of the tile.

Barry.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Nathan Hildebrandt — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:08:34 GMT

By modelling everything I can label and schedule everything in the model. It also means that all of my documents are created automatically from the model and I use associated labels on everything. So if I change the attribute all of the labels will update automatically and so do all of my schedules and legends.

It also enables the ability for measurement and quantification directly from the model. And visualisation in BIMx and imagery and VR in Enscape is what it will look like when it is built. Quite easy to model to be honest with you, when you have a good system in place.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Barry Kelly — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 02:22:58 GMT

@cocoloco wrote:

YOU ARE MODELING WALL AND FLOOR FINISHES???????? 😭

There is an old saying for 3D BIM software such as Archicad.

"Model it as it is built".

Follow that and you can't go wrong.

A fill or lines for tiles on a wall may look OK, but you can't schedule them or see them in 3D.

I personally use objects that have the tiling built in (these may not be available in the default library - I create my own objects).

Once modelled in 3D, I have it done for every section and elevation automatically with no extra work.

No extra line work what so ever.

Barry.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Tue, 04 Mar 2025 19:21:17 GMT

Hi everyone. I am here a few years back as this issue is unresolved 😞 .. I still have the same issue, can't scale Finishes (lay it out) to where I start. I tried all the settings proposed. I am not clearly sure why there are 3 different settings for fill construction method BUT NONE to start at the wall/or where I start drawing. I mean...:D

This is all I have tried based on suggestions above:

1. turn off "fill handles" in onscreen options

2. chose "cut fill" instead of cover in fill setting

3. chosen "fill to origin"

4. chosen "scaled with plan"

and nothing had happened....

Could someone help please?

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

Barry Kelly — Wed, 05 Mar 2025 00:47:42 GMT

You can use the fill handle to reposition the hatch pattern and also rotate it.

The construction method with 2 handles allows you to also stretch the lengths and distort the angle of the hatch.

1000mm long handle equals one hatch unit size, 2000mm long equals 2x unit size

Barry.

Re: Archicad fills layout unmanageable

cocoloco — Sat, 08 Mar 2025 23:02:54 GMT

This worked!! Thank you!