topic Doors in Modeling

Doors

Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:16:30 GMT

placed 2 types of doors in plan view in conjunction with log walls. the owner came back and wanted to add a 4' concrete decorative stone perimeter for the log walls to sit on. so now i have successfully placed conc. wall and log walls, however, now the doors don't cut through the conc. wall? not sure how to re-generate the door openings to show in the new conc. wall.

Operating system used: Mac Apple Silicon Sonoma 14.4.1

Re: Doors

aarkell — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:31:30 GMT

A door will only cut its host wall. Assuming it is still in the log wall (host wall), you could place an an empty door opening the same width as the door but only as tall as the concrete wall in the concrete wall. Or you could use the Opening tool. Alternatively, you could model the whole wall as a complex profile, but it sounds like you may be using the log wall tool so maybe that is best.

If the concrete base is only decorative on the outside face (not the whole thickness of the log wall), you could consider modeling it with the railing tool and a complex profile, or a beam and a complex profile, and just stop it on either side of the door, avoiding having to have two walls stacked on top of each other.

Re: Doors

Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:35:04 GMT

thanks for getting back to me so soon. yes the log wall is the host wall and will give your ideas some thinking before diving. the opening tool sounds promising, but how do i make ensure the conc. wall is selected as the live element? unless this is something i have to do in 3d.

Re: Doors

aarkell — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:38:04 GMT

When you activate the door or opening tool to place in concrete wall, you should be able to hover over log wall and use the TAB key to cycle through overlapped elements. This is assuming the concrete wall is also visible in plan just hidden by the log wall which is on top. If it is not showing up, you can check to make sure it's projection settings are not set to "Cut Only". That would mean if your wall is shorter than your cut plane it won't show up.

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Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:41:04 GMT

ok let me try the "tab" since i am familiar with that. currently the conc. wall seems to dictate in the view and that may make it easier. will let you now shortly.

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Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:54:08 GMT

ok this is what it shows now with what i changed in the settings. not sure how to get rid of the jambs?

Re: Doors

aarkell — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:56:48 GMT

Oops. I told you empty door opening, but if you use "Rectangular Door Opening" it won't have any trim.

Re: Doors

Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 19:59:59 GMT

🙂 ok let me find that and will report back.

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Zdenko — Fri, 19 Apr 2024 20:20:03 GMT

well getting closer but can't seem to re-select to adjust? it is a 4'x4' so not sure why it did not cut thru correctly. tried the tab key to cycle through both in 2d and 3d no luck. will try again now that you have given me some insight.

Re: Doors

Barry Kelly — Sat, 20 Apr 2024 07:06:51 GMT

I wouldn't add a second empty door in the concrete wall (although you can.

I would use the opening tool.

It can even be placed in a 3D view and stretched to suite the door.

Barry.

Re: Doors

aarkell — Mon, 22 Apr 2024 13:16:50 GMT

I'd probably do the same and should have stressed the usefulness of the Opening tool in my original response. Although using a door opening is a viable solution and probably the better workaround before the Opening tool was introduced, using an opening would avoid having an "extra door" that you don't want to show up in your door schedule as well.

Re: Doors

Zdenko — Mon, 22 Apr 2024 14:22:06 GMT

good morning and hope everyone had a good weekend. i will try your solution this morning barry and appreciate everyone's assistance!!

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Zdenko — Mon, 22 Apr 2024 20:19:11 GMT

Barry that worked like a charm! however, i can't remember the sequencing of how i did it the first time 🙂 regardless thank you!

Re: Doors

Barry Kelly — Tue, 23 Apr 2024 02:01:01 GMT

Easiest way I think is to just place your doors and widows in your log wall in plan with the correct head heights to storey.

Then view in 3D with the lower concrete wall turned on.

When ever you see a door or window that is cut off, place a rectangular opening object in the concrete wall nearby and then just stretch the corners to match the bottom of the door or window.

Barry.

Re: Doors

Zdenko — Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:01:02 GMT

that is what i ended up doing after figuring out that 3d was much more straight forward. thank you Barry...

my follow up to this would be will it impact my take off when i need to determine square footage of wall material. not there yet but just wondering if i may need to re-think setting up zones?

Re: Doors

Barry Kelly — Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:10:13 GMT

@Zdenko wrote:

my follow up to this would be will it impact my take off when i need to determine square footage of wall material. not there yet but just wondering if i may need to re-think setting up zones?

Take offs should be correct.

Only the part of the door opening in the log wall will be deducted, not the entire opening.

And the opening in the concrete wall will be deducted from that.

So areas and volumes of the walls should be correct - I would test on a single wall to make sure.

Relating the walls to a zone should still be OK.

But you may not get the zone area to fill into the door recess, because the log wall base will be above the zone base height.

It should fill into the opening in the concrete wall, but as there is not frame, I am not sure you can control the depth it goes into the opening.

I can't say it is something I have tried.

Barry.

Re: Doors

Zdenko — Tue, 23 Apr 2024 14:16:19 GMT

thanks for the heads up and once i go through this process i will let you know.