topic Re: Wall corner challenge in Modeling

Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Thu, 02 May 2024 10:36:17 GMT

Hi,

I like to model a cove like this in the wall corner, tried opening tool but couldn't achieve it, I don't know it's a painting finish or special blocks stacked to produce this beauty.

If anyone knows how can this be modelled in Archicad? thanks.

Operating system used: Windows 11

Re: Wall corner challenge

Ricardo Lopez — Tue, 07 May 2024 22:43:56 GMT

Hi @Mahmoud Qenawi

If you really need to model every line of the plaster, even the curved corner, then you could use Substract from Solid Element Operations (SEO):

Use your prefered tools (slabs, columns and morphs) for modeling the "negatives".
Edit> Group those negatives.
Select and Convert Selection to Morph(s).
Connect> Solid Element Operations...
Select the negative group as Operator and the walls as Target.
Choose operation Sustraction.
Execute.
Send the negative group to a hidden layer.

Beware of this method of SEO can result in a slower performance for your file if it is widely used. Maybe you could only substract the curved corner and get the plaster lines based on the building material surface.

Regards.-

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Thu, 02 May 2024 19:30:22 GMT

Perfect, thank you @Ricardo Lopez.

fantastic way of thinking I really didn’t imagine,

Only more morphs for the whole elevation.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 03 May 2024 07:26:05 GMT

Hi @Ricardo Lopez,

Do you think this facade was created also by SEO? Just guessing.

BTW these photos are captured from Graphisoft Italy’s LinkedIn post.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Barry Kelly — Fri, 03 May 2024 07:49:45 GMT

I would say, probably yes.

But a column and arch could also be modelled with individual components and then saved as an object or a module and then repeatedly placed.

And these days with the segmented column, the column up to the arch could be all done with just the column tool.

Barry.

Re: Wall corner challenge

strangeday — Fri, 03 May 2024 11:24:45 GMT

Hello @Mahmoud Qenawi

If you refer to ashlar(I hope is the right term), them was realized with the curtain wall tool,

We have a very interesting Webinar on HBIM approach organized by Graphisoft Italia and the architect that have done this model(I can't remeber his name in this moment).....I think that in next weeks you could find the registrati on the Graphisoft Italia youtube page

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 03 May 2024 16:47:16 GMT

Thank you Barry,

I hope this object can be created by paramo it’d be easier to update with design modification & also if segmented column feature is available for complex profile one that will save much time.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 03 May 2024 15:45:30 GMT

@strangeday,

Thanks, sure I’ll search for this webinar & if you got a link for it pls post it here.

Curtain wall tool can be effective also for this challenge despite can’t imagine how it works.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 07 May 2024 22:58:03 GMT

You could also use Columns and Beams to create the grooves. Put them on a wireframe layer with the same Layer Intersection Group Number as the Wall and a Building Material with a higher Intersection Priority Number than that of the Wall, Archicad will apply Priority-based Connections, and they will automatically cut the Wall, no need for SEO for that. The wireframe Layer will enable you to see the geometry of the cutting bodies without them obscuring the geometry of the Wall. After they are modeled, their layer can be hidden.

When you model the grooves, make sure the 3D bodies of those Columns and Beams touch, but do not collide/intersect - that way you will have fewer automatic Priority-based Connections Archicad has to calculate. (Priority-based Connections are SEOs automatically performed by Archicad, just like SEOs a user explicitly performs on selected elements.)

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Wed, 08 May 2024 00:50:29 GMT

Thank you @Laszlo Nagy ,

I think it won’t affect the overall performance but still the corner void needs to be done by morph & SEO.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 08 May 2024 11:18:26 GMT

@Mahmoud Qenawi

Yes, the corner must be a Morph SEO-d.

This amount of grooves may not affect the performance now, but if you model them on a whole building, you will have thousands of SEOs and you can get to a point where they may.

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Wed, 08 May 2024 14:37:40 GMT

Thank you @Laszlo Nagy ,

Yes I understand your suggestion & even it opens a new method for getting these grooves by opening tool.

I gonna try the 3 methods & evaluate results, thanks for all contributions.

Re: Wall corner challenge

strangeday — Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:32:59 GMT

Hello @Mahmoud Qenawi,

If you're still interested into the argument, there are the Youtube link of the webinar(it's in Italian and divided in three parts), there is also the presentation of the new HBIM library parts, but I think that them will be available only for Italian SSA/forward users.

https://youtu.be/pYxkYHZ91yM?si=WAP2QsiXFFR8d_rA

https://youtu.be/ALOPNv0l3A8?si=-_a3ncEsi5ieVl2-

https://youtu.be/ArBgUqpBWYY?si=Kk2uCTtrgOhFAy1m

Re: Wall corner challenge

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 21 Jun 2024 20:18:47 GMT

Thank you so much @strangeday, you did a great job 🌺🫡.

Thanks for GS Italia for their innovative & hard work which is obvious everywhere.

Sure I’m still interested in these HBIM series, I never knew how CW tool can be a fantastic solution for this kind of historical buildings.

Re: Wall corner challenge

hmartell — Fri, 21 Jun 2024 20:54:25 GMT

Can you show the Plan view of this?

I've never been successful with SEO showing up in plans correctly.