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    <title>topic Re: Winder stair drag in Modeling</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703960#M179631</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As far as I know this feature is still missing from the Stair tool... at least for the Structure part of it...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For a bit on this you can check out this thread as well:&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Stair-Winders/td-p/286085" target="_blank"&gt;https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Stair-Winders/td-p/286085&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What you can do is a "bit" of a workaround... But hey if you want to have unique geometry, you have to think outside of the box&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So here is how I would approach this exact issue:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 1&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Turn off the structure part of the stair and only use the Finish.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;With the Finishes use the Tread only option.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Set the thickness to something big and the material to your liking. (We will cut off the excess, but more on this a bit later.)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Draw your stair.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Modify the corner by overriding the Turning Type Options at the corner node. -&amp;gt; Now it is still won't look good, but...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;You can actually edit the geometry of the threads. SO go into the Edit mode and modify the thread geometry to your desired shape.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Then you can create some operator elements to define the underside of the stair and use the Solid Elements Operations to fix that part as well.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pros:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;It stays a &lt;U&gt;single&lt;/U&gt; "Stair" -&amp;gt; You still have the numbering, walking line, etc...&amp;nbsp;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cons:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;If you edit the stair &lt;U&gt;in any way&lt;/U&gt;, it will be messed up again and you need re-adjust the "Edit" all over again.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The SEOs can burden your model if you have too much...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;In case of geometry editing, you have to keep in mind all editing elements and the maintenance can be a plus burden.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;If you wish to have actual threads or covering on top of the stair you have to model that separately.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 2&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;OR you only model the thread geometry with the desired thickness and materials that you would love to see as the covering on top of it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And you model the structure as a separate entity under it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This short video will show this workflow, but Option 1 can be achieved through the very same workflow you just play around with the operator(s) a bit differently.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://youtu.be/I3GI2G3hSzI" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://youtu.be/I3GI2G3hSzI&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 3:&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You can also model it by using 2 separate Stair elements for the straight runs and then model the winder from separate slabs...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hope this can help in some way, and I really hope that GS will be able to update the &lt;EM&gt;Stair tool&lt;/EM&gt; so the structural part of it can handle such "complex" geometry as well.&lt;BR /&gt;Or they can show us a workflow how to achieve this... For I am dumbfounded that such an easy looking geometry cannot be achieved with more ease... But I really hope that someone more knowledgeable can provide eventually a better workflow. &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":confused_face:"&gt;😕&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cheers! &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 12:22:18 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Benedek Gaszpor</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2026-05-29T12:22:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703357#M179574</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="{86894050-8E43-46FA-9CED-6656D4086E42}.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101383i42400D40FCA580FD/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="{86894050-8E43-46FA-9CED-6656D4086E42&amp;amp;#125;.png" alt="{86894050-8E43-46FA-9CED-6656D4086E42&amp;amp;#125;.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;How do I move that slanted green line to the blue line I’ve drawn there? I’ve pressed loads of buttons and it hasn’t worked; I’m stuck.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2026 16:45:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>horewa</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-21T16:45:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703359#M179575</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Watch the attached images and GIF with the whole process.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="RicardoLopez_0-1779386074447.png" style="width: 899px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101386i260681565221A6AC/image-dimensions/899x409?v=v2" width="899" height="409" role="button" title="RicardoLopez_0-1779386074447.png" alt="RicardoLopez_0-1779386074447.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="20260521_AC29_Stairs.gif" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101387i0D01C79B886B1672/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="20260521_AC29_Stairs.gif" alt="20260521_AC29_Stairs.gif" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt; &lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2026 18:09:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703359#M179575</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ricardo Lopez</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-21T18:09:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703362#M179576</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Afterward, you can still modify the staircase. Adding some guide lines at the width of the stairs helps.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;You cannot go narrower than the staircase itself, which allows you to snap to the minimum width.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="stair.gif" style="width: 761px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101385i72249548CA1A6B49/image-dimensions/761x559?v=v2" width="761" height="559" role="button" title="stair.gif" alt="stair.gif" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2026 17:55:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703362#M179576</guid>
      <dc:creator>cuba</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-21T17:55:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703471#M179578</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="{68AFFF8B-B1E3-4EC6-99EC-4F311B1F582E}.png" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101453i7DEA42BC80CB8613/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="{68AFFF8B-B1E3-4EC6-99EC-4F311B1F582E&amp;amp;#125;.png" alt="{68AFFF8B-B1E3-4EC6-99EC-4F311B1F582E&amp;amp;#125;.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you in advance, but I only want the diagonal line to shift so that the distance between the landing and the riser offset remains at those values: after=500, before=250. So the point is that the diagonal line is at the corner, but the riser offset remains at 500 and 250. Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2026 05:05:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703471#M179578</guid>
      <dc:creator>horewa</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-23T05:05:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703847#M179624</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/167670"&gt;@horewa&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You can achieve this and set it up as the default, when creating the stair by fixing the "&lt;EM&gt;Minimum riser offset&lt;/EM&gt;" values as connected (or equal) parameters.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please check the short video below:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Archciad_StairRizerOffset.gif" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101600i3668B24FBCA3BC62/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Archciad_StairRizerOffset.gif" alt="Archciad_StairRizerOffset.gif" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;  &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hope this helps &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cheers!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 10:54:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703847#M179624</guid>
      <dc:creator>Benedek Gaszpor</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-28T10:54:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703859#M179625</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Is it possible if the offset is not equal but the diagonal line remains at the corner? This is what the line that remains at the corner looks like&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="IMG_20260528_205857.jpg" style="width: 312px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/101604i977B6DA8207BF757/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="IMG_20260528_205857.jpg" alt="IMG_20260528_205857.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 14:00:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703859#M179625</guid>
      <dc:creator>horewa</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-28T14:00:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703869#M179628</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;turning off all rules and standards will also help open up some configuration options that may be getting locked out or impossible to apply&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 16:05:45 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703869#M179628</guid>
      <dc:creator>Patrick M</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-28T16:05:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Winder stair drag</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Winder-stair-drag/m-p/703960#M179631</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi&amp;nbsp;,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As far as I know this feature is still missing from the Stair tool... at least for the Structure part of it...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For a bit on this you can check out this thread as well:&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Stair-Winders/td-p/286085" target="_blank"&gt;https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Modeling/Stair-Winders/td-p/286085&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What you can do is a "bit" of a workaround... But hey if you want to have unique geometry, you have to think outside of the box&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So here is how I would approach this exact issue:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 1&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Turn off the structure part of the stair and only use the Finish.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;With the Finishes use the Tread only option.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Set the thickness to something big and the material to your liking. (We will cut off the excess, but more on this a bit later.)&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Draw your stair.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Modify the corner by overriding the Turning Type Options at the corner node. -&amp;gt; Now it is still won't look good, but...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;You can actually edit the geometry of the threads. SO go into the Edit mode and modify the thread geometry to your desired shape.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;Then you can create some operator elements to define the underside of the stair and use the Solid Elements Operations to fix that part as well.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Pros:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;It stays a &lt;U&gt;single&lt;/U&gt; "Stair" -&amp;gt; You still have the numbering, walking line, etc...&amp;nbsp;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cons:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;If you edit the stair &lt;U&gt;in any way&lt;/U&gt;, it will be messed up again and you need re-adjust the "Edit" all over again.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;The SEOs can burden your model if you have too much...&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;In case of geometry editing, you have to keep in mind all editing elements and the maintenance can be a plus burden.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;If you wish to have actual threads or covering on top of the stair you have to model that separately.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 2&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;OR you only model the thread geometry with the desired thickness and materials that you would love to see as the covering on top of it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And you model the structure as a separate entity under it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This short video will show this workflow, but Option 1 can be achieved through the very same workflow you just play around with the operator(s) a bit differently.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://youtu.be/I3GI2G3hSzI" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;https://youtu.be/I3GI2G3hSzI&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Option 3:&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You can also model it by using 2 separate Stair elements for the straight runs and then model the winder from separate slabs...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hope this can help in some way, and I really hope that GS will be able to update the &lt;EM&gt;Stair tool&lt;/EM&gt; so the structural part of it can handle such "complex" geometry as well.&lt;BR /&gt;Or they can show us a workflow how to achieve this... For I am dumbfounded that such an easy looking geometry cannot be achieved with more ease... But I really hope that someone more knowledgeable can provide eventually a better workflow. &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":confused_face:"&gt;😕&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Cheers! &lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:"&gt;🙂&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 12:22:18 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Benedek Gaszpor</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2026-05-29T12:22:18Z</dc:date>
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