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How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please.

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:58:35 GMT

Hello everybody, I just joined the forum.
I am on a 30 day trial of ArchiCAD for Mac and I am loving it!
I have hit a road block though, I can't seem to figure out how to make the crown trim at the tops of the walls go up at an inclined angle over the front of the entrance. You can see in the attached images I was able to get a little square piece go up at an angle, but the crown has me stumped..
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:21:12 GMT

One option would be to create a custom profile of the crown and apply the profile to an inclined beam. This method has its limitation as you will soon find out when you try to turn the corner at the lower ends.

Another option it a 3rd party plug-in called '3d Profiler' by CADImage
http://www.cadimagetools.com/tools.aspx?id=9

Glad you're enjoying the trial. Good luck.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Dwight — Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:43:59 GMT

And simply one of numerous situations that should be easily solved but remain elusive to the coding minds in Budapest.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:05:40 GMT

The one and only Objective is what I use.
http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:37:32 GMT

Joseph wrote:
The one and only Objective is what I use.
http://www.encina.co.uk/objective.html

Second That. You can get a trial version too.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

TomWaltz — Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:59:08 GMT

While Objectiv is a great add-on, it's still an add-on that costs and extra $300 plus the added overhead of administering it (and the possibility of it lagging behind future Archicad updates).

You will find that CADImage's Profiler does not turn corners either. As one of their developers put it, wood wouldn't turn like that either. You need some kind of connector. (I'm not a carpenter, so I cannot dispute that!)

The beam tool meets your sloping trim needs for free.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:35:14 GMT

I do not believe this is an issue of inadequate tools or add-ons
but one of geometry. Please do a search using the key words
"raking moldings" and you will get two hits that are discussions
about transitions from level to slope as in rakes and eaves.
Peter Devlin

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Dwight — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:10:47 GMT

To make the beam tool work as a tilted crown molding is tricky since the tilt distorts the section - you must stretch the section proportional to the tilt.

This is easy with a section having straight segments but difficult when curves are involved.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:13:41 GMT

Objective does allow you to crated the custom profile, Apply and rotate it in elevation or plan view and then "slice" the objects to create a miter cut at the change of direction. Sorta-Kinda like a carpenter with very quiet saw. Wish Archicad could do that out of the box and save 300 bucks but.....

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:39:05 GMT

does objective allow the profiles to follow curves?

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:54:20 GMT

Chris wrote:
does objective allow the profiles to follow curves?

You can curve a profile and attach other profiles to it; cleaned by use of Split. I like this method better since I have more control on creativity and options.
Joseph

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:36:10 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
While Objective is a great add-on, it's still an add-on that costs and extra $300 plus the added overhead of administering it (and the possibility of it lagging behind future Archicad updates).

True it is an add-on and I hate add-ons because of the API they may have and more than anything else the big "LAGGING BEHIND FUTURE ARCHICAD UPDATES".

But there is a BIG but about Objective "Encina":

1. It is firstly object based with API coming along the ride; meaning: If objective is not loaded as long as you have the library of objects you have created and library of Steel and Timber of Objective, in any version, you do not loose your work (unlike an API driven add-on like ArchiStair). Also once you have loaded a new version you can update all the old objects on you plans to the new version with all the new features, capable with the old objects.

2. Tech Support is 2nd to none, Ralph is always answering, and on top of that any "possible" bugs are fixed with in a day or two, max. Any new suggestions are either implemented within few days if small or if big, with in months and not versions & versions.
3. I rather Graphisoft not to get hold of this add-on since it may end up neglected like some of their other tools. Would gladly pay for this or any other add-on that does not leave me hanging. This is cost of good quality software, support & care for our well being, in a professional and personal level.
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

LiHigh — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:58:25 GMT

It's all About geometry!

You'll need to determine 2 angles:
1) Connecting angle in plan
2) The projection angle of the tilted crown in line with the plane that is perpenticular to 1/2 of the connecting angle in plane. (assuming both crown has same height)

Even if you have all the addon at you disposure, it's going to be tough!

All of these limitations are due to ANCIENT "TUBE" command!

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Rod Jurich — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:10:27 GMT

Joseph wrote:
/.........
2. Tech Support is 2nd to none, Ralph is always answering, /.....

Agree with all that Joseph has said.
99% of my queries have been answered within 24hrs.

(Unlike someone else who has acknowledged a bug in his SZ
but has yet to deliver a fix)

OBJECTiVE is more than just a single tool.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Thomas Holm — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:49:16 GMT

Joseph wrote:
But there is a BIG but about Objective "Encina"

Joseph, as always I'm a slow thinker, so I have to ask to clarify:

I take it you mean that
- objects created or modified with the Objective add-on still work when the addon is not loaded (unlike for example Archistair where the add-on has to be loaded at all times)
- this means that objects created this way can be exported along with their projects to other machines and still work without Objective
- and it also means that the objects will still work if you upgrade your Archicad (unless GS breaks old GDL objects for some reason)
- and you also maintain that support is excellent!

May I ask if somebody knows if it works as well with the INT version?
(if so, i don't have any excuse left for not buying, I guess)

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Rod Jurich — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:27:59 GMT

Thomas wrote:
/.....
- objects created or modified with the Objective add-on still work when the addon is not loaded /......
May I ask if somebody knows if it works as well with the INT version?
/...

Hej Thomas, see attached. I am using INT version.
Part saved in 11 and this pic taken after AddOn removed.
I have even opened the part and tweaked the materials.
The part created will stand alone in your project library.
Spend your hard earned, you will not be disappointed.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:52:37 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Joseph wrote:
But there is a BIG but about Objective "Encina"

Joseph, as always I'm a slow thinker, so I have to ask to clarify:

I take it you mean that
- objects created or modified with the Objective add-on still work when the addon is not loaded (unlike for example Archistair where the add-on has to be loaded at all times)
- this means that objects created this way can be exported along with their projects to other machines and still work without Objective
- and it also means that the objects will still work if you upgrade your Archicad (unless GS breaks old GDL objects for some reason)
- and you also maintain that support is excellent!

May I ask if somebody knows if it works as well with the INT version?
(if so, i don't have any excuse left for not buying, I guess)

1st question was answered by Rod.

2nd my experiences has been that the GDL objects created by Objective have not been broken by GS but the add-ons API's yes, gets broken which Ralph takes care of them (maybe Ralph could explain this better)

3rdly yes support is excellent and again that is one of many reasons that I rather have Objective as an add-on and pay gladly for it.
Joseph

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Rakela Raul — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:17:32 GMT

what about the NEW Archirotate ?? i have tried but doesnt work for me

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Rod Jurich — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:24:56 GMT

Rakela wrote:
what about the NEW Archirotate ?? i have tried but doesnt work for me

Persist. Read the manual carefully.
Once you see how it works you will use it.
All rotation degrees must be positive.
You must select and save the object first.
Place the newly created object.
Select this object in order to rotate.
I name the new part ar(original part name)
and save to the project library.

Re: How to: incline crown moulding? Any help or ideas please

Ralph Wessel — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:01:06 GMT

Thomas wrote:
I take it you mean that
- objects created or modified with the Objective add-on still work when the addon is not loaded (unlike for example Archistair where the add-on has to be loaded at all times)

Yes. OBJECTiVE provides and creates completely standard GDL objects which do not require the add-on to be present. You will find it much harder to edit the objects though - the add-on provides a lot of assistance to make complex 3D modelling easy (which is the whole point).

Thomas wrote:
- this means that objects created this way can be exported along with their projects to other machines and still work without Objective

Yes. They can be fully archived and retrieved without the add-on too.

Thomas wrote:
- and it also means that the objects will still work if you upgrade your Archicad (unless GS breaks old GDL objects for some reason)

Yes.

Thomas wrote:
May I ask if somebody knows if it works as well with the INT version?

Again, yes.