topic Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win in Modeling

AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section window

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:20:46 GMT

Very odd. I haven't been working in 9 long enough to test for patterns of this behaviour, but I'm working in unlinked section windows (drawings) and am finding when I have a library part selected, "Drag A Copy" menu item is disabled. Key shortcut doesn't work either. Multiple copy works...

Mac OSX 10.3 G5 ArchiCAD 9.0

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:11:34 GMT

No takers!!??!!

Come on!

I thought perhaps I was just crazy since nooone responed to this aging query, but I just checked again, and the behaviour is the same. Working in a unlinked (now simply "Drawing" status, in 9.0), I can't drag-a-copy of a library part.

What am I missing?

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:53:59 GMT

RobertNichols wrote:
I thought perhaps I was just crazy since nooone responed to this aging query, but I just checked again, and the behaviour is the same. Working in a unlinked (now simply "Drawing" status, in 9.0), I can't drag-a-copy of a library part.

What am I missing?

You could never do this. Windows, doors, all 2D elements, yes. Everything else, no.

Try 3D window. With OpenGL on of course.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:47:37 GMT

RobertNichols wrote:
No takers!!??!!

Come on!

I thought perhaps I was just crazy since nooone responed to this aging query, but I just checked again, and the behaviour is the same. Working in a unlinked (now simply "Drawing" status, in 9.0), I can't drag-a-copy of a library part.

What am I missing?

Do other objects drag in the section window? And I'm assuming that the library part is a 2D symbol as the section is unlinked. Is the file teamworked? I have seen this problem with AC8.1 and teamworked files on certain section windows. You would need to redefine your workspace (without really redefining anything) and it would go away.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:38:03 GMT

Reading the last two repsonses, I started to wonder if I am crazy, but after retesting, I think not.

I'm using 2d parts. I've tested my original pln file (which was Teamworked in v7, but now solo in v9), and in a new v9 document.
Same behavior with my own parts of native Graphisoft v9 parts.

I can successfully drag-a-copy of any 2d library part in a detail window, but in the section window, no.

Doesn't it seem odd, that drag-a-copy is disabled, but Multiply is allowed?????

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:06:04 GMT

RobertNichols wrote:
Doesn't it seem odd, that drag-a-copy is disabled, but Multiply is allowed?????

Consistency is hard to spell ...

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:34:01 GMT

RobertNichols wrote:
Reading the last two repsonses, I started to wonder if I am crazy, but after retesting, I think not.
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I can successfully drag-a-copy of any 2d library part in a detail window, but in the section window, no.

Just tried it, and it works - Drag, invoked from the context menu or shortcut, hit CTRL ot CTRL ALT, and you have Drag a copy or Drag a multiple copy.

Or am I missing a point?

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:28:59 GMT

Thanks for testing, Djordje. I get similar results, but it still seems odd. Contextual menu, dragging after hitting cmd-key (Mac) produces a single copy.

When I look at my undo menu, though, it says Undo Drag Multiply/1.

At all times, the simple Drag-A-Copy menu item and keyboard shortcut are not available.

Perhaps its a Mac thing. Obviously, I can get the functionality I need: in section windows, to make a single copy of a library part the operation will always be a Drag Multiple of 1.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:44:32 GMT

RobertNichols wrote:
Thanks for testing, Djordje. I get similar results, but it still seems odd. Contextual menu, dragging after hitting cmd-key (Mac) produces a single copy.

When I look at my undo menu, though, it says Undo Drag Multiply/1.

At all times, the simple Drag-A-Copy menu item and keyboard shortcut are not available.

Likewise. As I weaned mself off the Drag a copy and prefer the ALT and CTRL (OPTION and ALT for you) method as I can switch between the modes, I don't find this behavior is a problem.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:52:59 GMT

I have moved to 9 this morning, and this is the first item of note - I have been experiencing the exact same behavior. When a line is selected, drag a copy works, both from the menu and from the shortcut. When a library part is selected, drag a copy is grayed out in the menu, and the shortcut does nothing. I must have done the shortcut 5 times before I figured out what was going on, as I have just switched to PC, and the keyboard is slightly different, and makes for some repetitive (excessively) actions.

Anyway, there is no enable or disable of the element copy transformation commands, but it seems to be parallel to the issue. Hopefully, there is a workaround...

v2

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:10:58 GMT

Djordje wrote:
As I weaned mself off the Drag a copy and prefer the ALT and CTRL (OPTION and ALT for you) method as I can switch between the modes, I don't find this behavior is a problem.

I started using the option and Alt but this morning I went to rotate a copy of a library part and this was not available. This makes it a two step operation; first copy the part and then rotate. This cannot be what Graphisoft had in mind.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:13:56 GMT

Millard wrote:
I started using the option and Alt but this morning I went to rotate a copy of a library part and this was not available. This makes it a two step operation; first copy the part and then rotate. This cannot be what Graphisoft had in mind.

It works quite nicely over here:

- select a thingy and choose Rotate (context menu)
- click on the rotation center point
- ALT CTRL OPTION whatever ... the pluses come and go as needed

Maybe a Mac problem?

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:31:34 GMT

- select a thingy and choose Rotate (context menu)
- click on the rotation center point
- ALT CTRL OPTION whatever ... the pluses come and go as needed

Maybe a Mac problem?

Nope, just an ignorant operator!

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

rengarch — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:21:10 GMT

I experienced the same "drag & copy" an object and wrote to Jeff @ graphisoft. I was using the Ctl+Shift+D sequence and the "drag+copy" was grayed out.
This is what Jeff wrote"

<<"3. I cannot "drag and copy" an object. I am able to "drag & copy" a
line but not an object. What I need to do is to initiate the pet palette
begin to drag and depress the Option key in order to drag & copy. "

Are you aware that Cmd+Opt+D is related to the Docking Bar
in Mac OS?

In Mac OS 10.3 the default for "auto hide and show the dock" is also
cmd+opt+d, and this will disable drag a copy. Go to System
Preferences/Keyboard & Mouse/Menu shortcuts to disable this system
shortcut, or assign a different shortcut for ArchiCAD/PlotMaker.

Rita Eng

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:06:22 GMT

rengarch wrote:
Go to System
Preferences/Keyboard & Mouse/Menu shortcuts to disable this system
shortcut, or assign a different shortcut for ArchiCAD/PlotMaker
Rita Eng

I've already assigned Command D to drag a copy. This always seemed more mac like as Command D was always duplicate for a mac. This doesn't change the fact that you cannot drag a copy of an object in a section window; but as Djordje says you can use the alt/option key to drag a copy. I believe this is Graphisoft's way to force us to use the new method.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:02:12 GMT

Same here. I've already assigned another shortcut for drag-a-copy. The telltale of the bug is that lines and other primitive elements can be duplicated in this way, but library objects cannot.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Djordje — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:35:07 GMT

Maybe we old dogs should try to learn the pluses trick?

That works always, and you don't need to assign shortcuts, and on top of all that, you have an option od drag/drag a copy/drag a multiple copy as you wish.

Much better, IMHO. Just new and different.

I like the fifth gear in my current car, although my 1966 Beetle does not have one.

Re: AC9 - Can't drag a copy of a library part in section win

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:03:41 GMT

Djordje wrote:

Maybe we old dogs should try to learn the pluses trick?

Oh-- I've been enjoying the pluses trick since you first wrote about it. It's a substantial improvement - thanks for brining it to my attention.

So why did we keep talking about this?!?