topic Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork in Modeling

Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:13:44 GMT

I've inherited a file from someone (externally) who has turned all the elevations & sections into drawings. Problem is they're inaccurate and I need to update them with correct window sizes etc.

However, I'm in a teamwork file and someone else is working on the plans and I'm on the elevations. How do I measure the size and location of a window if I can't use the line tool to measure with (i.e. I'm locked out of the plan space)? A measure tool would really be useful right about now.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Link — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:26:29 GMT

Who uses the line tool to measure??

Simply hold shift + alt down and hover your cursor over the 'measure from' node. When your user origin relocates there, let go of shift + alt (but be sure to let go of shift first). Then simply hover your cursor over the 'measure to' node and read the distances in the co-ordinate box. You can use the x,y,r,a keys to copy and paste those measurements if you need to.

To return your user origin back to the project origin, simply double click your user origin button in the co-ordinate box.

Basic stuff - but a lot of people miss it.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:48:42 GMT

Thank you Link.

However, I would respectfully and meekly disagree that it's basic stuff. I missed it precisely because it's cryptic, not basic. In my opinion a measure tool would be basic stuff.

BTW - I use the line tool to measure because that's what I was trained to do by my local ArchiCAD distributors / trainers.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:50:14 GMT

I think I need to reinforce that I appreciate your reply - it has certainly helped (after reading my post I thought I sounded a little ungrateful).

Cheers

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Link — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:56:55 GMT

No worries mate - I actually got a kick out of it.

I'll be down there soon - where are you?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:04:28 GMT

Auckland

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

TomWaltz — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 03:00:55 GMT

Bruce wrote:
Thank you Link.

However, I would respectfully and meekly disagree that it's basic stuff. I missed it precisely because it's cryptic, not basic. In my opinion a measure tool would be basic stuff.

BTW - I use the line tool to measure because that's what I was trained to do by my local ArchiCAD distributors / trainers.

I think what Link means is that it SHOULD be covered in basic training, even though it may not be. A lot of trainers focus on all the "gee-whiz" features almost like the sales reps do, instead of actually how to use the program in a professional setting.

That's why I like guys like Link, Karl, Matthew, and some others who not only teach, but can dust most "power users" in actual usage.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Rob — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:19:14 GMT

Simply hold shift + alt down and hover your cursor over the 'measure from' node. When your user origin relocates there, let go of shift + alt (but be sure to let go of shift first). Then simply hover your cursor over the 'measure to' node and read the distances in the co-ordinate box. You can use the x,y,r,a keys to copy and paste those measurements if you need to

well, the problem is when you want to measure a perpendicular distance to the target for example (the most common measurement that we do on plans, I recon) and you're scr..ed mate. so may be we should have some tool for measurements (??)

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Djordje — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 06:12:10 GMT

Rob wrote:
well, the problem is when you want to measure a perpendicular distance to the target for example (the most common measurement that we do on plans, I recon) and you're scr..ed mate. so may be we should have some tool for measurements (??)

Any linear tool will do ... wall, beam, polyline.

Or, click on the line that represents the window width and open Object info. It will tell you the lenght.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:56:36 GMT

What's wrong with a measuring tool? We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a measuring tool

Hypothetical: Two walls meet at an acute angle in a workspace that isn't reserved for you. How do you measure perpendicular to the wall that doesn't run in either the x or y axes? Opening the window tool to read the distance doesn't work because you're after the positioning, not the size.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

TomWaltz — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:18:14 GMT

Bruce wrote:
What's wrong with a measuring tool? We wouldn't be having this discussion if there was a measuring tool

Hypothetical: Two walls meet at an acute angle in a workspace that isn't reserved for you. How do you measure perpendicular to the wall that doesn't run in either the x or y axes? Opening the window tool to read the distance doesn't work because you're after the positioning, not the size.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking... why would you use the Window Tool for this?

Wouldn't just rotating your working grid allow you to get distances along any angle?

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:33:04 GMT

I get the feeling I'm just digging myself into a hole here - but I shall continue unabated

I've attached a screenshot of what I mean. And no, adjusting the coord angle has no effect if you're using the method described by Link below - well not in this example anyway.

I would use the window tool because that's what Djordje suggested below.

I didn't realise it would be that significant a problem to provide a basic, requested tool like a tape measure. It's like telling a builder he doesn't need one - just put marks on the back of your saw, or use your straight edge. Who needs a tape measure?

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:27:59 GMT

line tool

click on node at right

select perpendicular constraint

click on wall at left

hover over wall to get perpendicular cursor

read off 'r' value

?

bill

a dedicated measuring tool would probably work identically

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Bruce — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:38:52 GMT

Yes, but the scenario is that this is not in my workspace in the Teamwork file. You can't use the line tool if the story is not in your workspace. You can't use any linear tool. Resetting the user origin doesn't help because you can't snap perpendicular without drawing something.

I'm sure someone will offer another obscure 'solution', but that misses my point entirely. Why isn't the obvious, simplest solution available?

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Link — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:43:12 GMT

How about setting the skewed origin itself? You can measure as you do that. You should be able to set the skewed grid right?

Obscure enough?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

TomWaltz — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:44:39 GMT

And no, adjusting the coord angle has no effect if you're using the method described by Link below - well not in this example anyway.

I just tried it, and it works perfectly.

Adjust your angle to match the angle of the wall you want distance perpendicular to. Place the reference point on the end of the wall, as you show in the screen shot, then hover your cursor over the other wall.

The Y value will be the perpendicular distance.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:47:30 GMT

I know it's not what you want, Bruce, but even using a marquee you can read the co-ordinates. it does pick a point perpendicular to your starting point too, just not sure if it will work in Teamwork area assigned to someone else.

Cheers

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

TomWaltz — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:47:50 GMT

Bruce wrote:
I'm sure someone will offer another obscure 'solution', but that misses my point entirely. Why isn't the obvious, simplest solution available?

You asked a question. Link and I answered it. (though it took a few rounds to understand the problem). It's not an obvious solution. As far as I know, it's not in the manual or in any of the Help. But it works, and it's pretty simple to learn.

It works in all projects, teamworked or not, and does not require the extra "escape" at the end of an uncompleted drawing command, making it more efficient than the current process a lot of people use.

While your frustrations are understandable, they should not be directed at those of us trying to help.

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:06:16 GMT

i don't use teamwork

if what i described doesn't work i'd be pretty annoyed too

bill

Re: Measuring problems in Teamwork

TomWaltz — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:18:05 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Rob wrote:
well, the problem is when you want to measure a perpendicular distance to the target for example (the most common measurement that we do on plans, I recon) and you're scr..ed mate. so may be we should have some tool for measurements (??)
Any linear tool will do ... wall, beam, polyline.

Or, click on the line that represents the window width and open Object info. It will tell you the lenght.

What Window width? I'm not sure what you mean by that.