topic Re: project library loads things twice... in Modeling

project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:05:39 GMT

Just a quick question to see if this is happening to other people or if it's just us...
We've got a project library for each project, which lives with the project file on the server. When we create project specific object (patches, stairs etc) they are saved in this project library folder. If at a later date we open the object and edit it, the next time the project is opened and AC loads its libraries, the custom made objects seem to be loaded twice: once with the folder project library and once again on their own...
This is not causing any problems as such but also it shouldn't be happening.
Any ideas what 's wrong?

(if i'm not being clear, let me know and i'll post some screen snaps of the loaded libraries and duplicated objects in the report thingy)

taa

Re: project library loads things twice...

Djordje — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45:43 GMT

xristina wrote:
When we create project specific object (patches, stairs etc) they are saved in this project library folder. If at a later date we open the object and edit it, the next time the project is opened and AC loads its libraries, the custom made objects seem to be loaded twice:

Is your library folder loaded?

Do you save variations of the custom objects always in the SAME project library folder?

If you open, edit and re-save overwriting the previous object, this should not happen. If you save it at a different location, then it loads twice ... and duplicates should show.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:35:58 GMT

Djordje wrote:
xristina wrote:
When we create project specific object (patches, stairs etc) they are saved in this project library folder. If at a later date we open the object and edit it, the next time the project is opened and AC loads its libraries, the custom made objects seem to be loaded twice:
Is your library folder loaded?

Do you save variations of the custom objects always in the SAME project library folder?

If you open, edit and re-save overwriting the previous object, this should not happen. If you save it at a different location, then it loads twice ... and duplicates should show.

yes the library folder is loaded

custom objects are project spesific (sp? sorry) and they are saved in with the project...

tell you what, i'll attach a screen grab in a minute.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:32:13 GMT

hey djordje

a minute turned out to be the whole bloody day! hate it when work gets in the way!
So, pict 1 shows the loaded libraries: ac v11 normal library (lives on the local hard drive) and the project specific one (lives on the network server with the project)

cont...

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:32:58 GMT

pict 2 shows the loaded libraries after i 've edited the stair object which is saved in the specific project library, closed the file and opened it again (ie what i do every morning).

the stair is loaded once with the project lib folder and once again on its own.

this has been happening from previous versions... it's not v11 specific.

i hope this is clear...

Re: project library loads things twice...

Link — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:43:25 GMT

In the Library Manager, click on the object under the 'Other Objects' folder and look what is says under the Path. That will help you figure out where you're going wrong.

As Djordje is alluding to, it looks like you may be saving it to the wrong place.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:49:25 GMT

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nope... custom objects are saved in the project library. When they are edited they are still within the project library... changes are overritten...
the path points to the project specific library...

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:11:18 GMT

My 2 Cents:

I find that if @ sometime I loaded my project library fron the server using a path through My Network Places
But
Then another time I load my project library through lets say a shortcut to my server on my desktop

then Archi CAD gets confused and loads things twice.

To fix it - I just remove the library all together and load it again- but- make sure I dont re load it through the History option it gives you.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:09:44 GMT

ok, from the rreplies i take it that others don't seem to have the same issues.
the paths etc all point to the server for the project specific library and the object that is loaded separately after it's editted... i/we have double and triple checked. so i can only assume it's network related somehow or there is some funny bug that presents itself to us due to something to do with the network settings here.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Djordje — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:35:53 GMT

xristina wrote:
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nope... custom objects are saved in the project library. When they are edited they are still within the project library... changes are overritten...
the path points to the project specific library...

Then you should not have Other objects at all.

See how do you load your libraries from the server?

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:14:19 GMT

Djordje wrote:
xristina wrote:
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nope... custom objects are saved in the project library. When they are edited they are still within the project library... changes are overritten...
the path points to the project specific library...

Then you should not have Other objects at all.

See how do you load your libraries from the server?

well, i thought i shouldn't but there they are when they are edited...

loading libraries from the server is done through the library manager at the start of the project's life when the folder is created but is normally empty until project specific objects are created :File/ Libraries and Objects/ Library Manager... navigate on the left pane to the CAD server, the project, the project library location, select and click add)... it then appears on the right pane, as expected and loads every time the project is opened... as expected.
then new project specific objects (such as patches, stairs from stair maker etc) are saved in there... so far no problems.
then i'll go and edit a stair, save it (no change in location or name, just click save)... next time i open the file the stair appears in other objects as well as being loaded with the project library folder.
still

Re: project library loads things twice...

Stuart Atkinson — Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:13:07 GMT

i have a vague memory of having a similar problem when playing with liibraries a few years ago.

As a test, instead of just clicking "save", click on the "save as". This makes ArchiCAD assume you are saving it elsewhere and therefore it forces you to browse to the location you want to save to.
Browse to your project specific folder and overwrite the existing object.

That might fix the problem.

Cheers
Stuart

Re: project library loads things twice...

jp — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:21:26 GMT

This is a real problem. Whenever you create a new object, Archicad assumes you want it loaded in the current project so it loads it. But if you have the object in a "project library" folder that you have loaded in the library manager, it does indeed load the file twice. I have either deleted the objects regularly from the "other objects" section and just let them load in the "project library" folder. Or, now I just don't bother to load the "project library" folder. The objects will be there. In teamwork, I would imagine this is a huge problem. For solo projects, it's not so bad

Re: project library loads things twice...

Gary Lawes — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:10:08 GMT

I think the problem arises if you modify a library part from a Library container file (.lcf) which is the default with recent versions of ArchiCAD. This is a single file carrying the whole library in an optimised form.
If you open a library part, and modify it, clearly it cannot be put back into the LCF file, so to overcome this ArchiCAD sves it under "Other Objects".
To overcome this I keep an extracted version of the LCF (in other words library parts in a folder structure as per early copies of ArchiCAD, when I need to modify a library part I open from there, save it back to its folder then create a new LCF file for use in ArchiCAD.
Or if you are less concerned about speed use the extracted folder based library in place of the LCF

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:58:16 GMT

Stuart wrote:
i have a vague memory of having a similar problem when playing with liibraries a few years ago.

As a test, instead of just clicking "save", click on the "save as". This makes ArchiCAD assume you are saving it elsewhere and therefore it forces you to browse to the location you want to save to.
Browse to your project specific folder and overwrite the existing object.

That might fix the problem.

Cheers
Stuart

Stuart, thanks for the suggestion, we will try this, but as my colleague just pointed out to me, this issue also occurs at the tiem of the .gsm's creation. So I will choose the location and save it in there (eg, stair xy saved in project library folder) and then when I open the file the next morning, said stair xy will be loaded from the project library folder and in other objects in the Library manager.
I have to admit this is not a big problem, all we have to do is remove from other objects.... but, it is annoying and leads me to ask, are we doing it wrong or is it something that GS should improved within archicad?
I guess it could be to do with the container file way that libraries are 'stored' that Gary mentions? BUT, our project libary folders are indeed saved separately in a folder like structure soooo... I give up, I don't know...

Re: project library loads things twice...

Gary Lawes — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:47:42 GMT

The problem is definitely the container file. I have just tested it to prove it. If you extract the container file, then use this as the library (as per previous versions of ArchiCAD) it will work as one would expect, when both creating and modifying library parts.

As mentioned previously it is not technically possible to update the LCF when a new object is created, or one is modified therefore the object is stored in "Other Objects" which is not a satisfactory arrangement as you will have two identically named objects that are in fact different, within your loaded libraries. So best avoided.

Only modify objects from an extracted container then recreate the container file.

Re: project library loads things twice...

rocorona — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:58:54 GMT

In ArchiCAd 12 when an object is "Saved as" will get a new GUID, so it is considered a different object from the previous one. GDL elements are no more identified by name, only by GUID (if it is no zero-zero-zero).

Re: project library loads things twice...

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:47:12 GMT

It is a recommended way of working that if you modify any standard ArchiCAD Library Parts, you should save it under a different name.

If you want to overwrite it permanently in the LCF, then extract the LCF, modify the Library Part in the extracted folder, then recreate the LCF file from the extracted Library Folder. Then delete the extracted folder and keep using the LCF file.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:50:39 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
It is a recommended way of working that if you modify any standard ArchiCAD Library Parts, you should save it under a different name.

If you want to overwrite it permanently in the LCF, then extract the LCF, modify the Library Part in the extracted folder, then recreate the LCF file from the extracted Library Folder. Then delete the extracted folder and keep using the LCF file.

Lazlo, I am not talking about modifying standard ac lib parts.

Can someone clarify for me, our project specific library, which lives in a folder with the project, on the server, NOT locally within AC library location... as I understand and see when looking at it from the finder, it is a folder with a bunch of .gsms in it... is this somehow compressed into an LCF??? it is not something we do consciously...
and if it is not becoming an LCF, then how does this explain our issues.

Re: project library loads things twice...

Gary Lawes — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:43:24 GMT

Xristina,

Check that the local project library is actually loaded, if it is not anything created or modified within that folder will sit within "Other objects" within the project file"