topic Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen in Modeling

Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Mon, 07 May 2007 23:30:45 GMT

Looking for options on creating a composite with a shaded gray core.

Is it better to use a Solid Fill with a gray as the Cut Fill Pen (Which displays the Composite in the selection area in the dialog box with the solid black fill) or an Empty fill with a gray Cut Fill Background Pen (this option will show the Composite in the selection area of the composite dialog box as having a white fill even if is gray or any other color)?.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Tue, 08 May 2007 16:00:51 GMT

Hi Jay,
For me it comes down to consistency. If you have other composites that are just fill patterns, or composites that are fills over background fills, then it is nice to have similar settings across the board. If you are just using the one composite, then maybe it does not matter.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Thu, 10 May 2007 22:58:51 GMT

Does anyone shade there walls?

I am only a humble Engineer, and we do not Shade the walls that often, but I thought that the Architects did this all the time. How do you spell Pouche?

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Thu, 10 May 2007 23:21:36 GMT

Jay

Here's one I'm working with at the moment. Must admit, I don't use composites very often. I think either way (solid fill or background) will work. The only implications I can think of would be with the Cut Fill v Drafting Fill settings in your Model View Options, and how you want to deal with those for various views (plans, sections etc.).

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Aussie John — Fri, 11 May 2007 04:32:03 GMT

s2art wrote:
Jay

Must admit, I don't use composites very often.

Really? why is that?

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Fri, 11 May 2007 16:50:53 GMT

Aussie wrote:
s2art wrote:
Jay

Must admit, I don't use composites very often.
Really? why is that?

Well, just starting I only have a few main reasons. Both deal with dimensioning. Here is one to do with dimensioning in the Section window. The other is tediousness in dimensioning in the Plan view often.

I started using AC back in version 6.5 and at that time I was not ready for Composites and saw many challenges with walls "healing" properly, so I stayed away. Since AC9 it was most likely laziness and not wanting to change. Setting up the proper view sets an pens is quite a job. One example is that in my framing plan and Framing Section views I do not want to show the Siding or the Gyp board. So it involved properly setting up a consistent pen for both the Gyp board and siding, and setting up a proper pet set that has these pens set to white. And assigning the pen set to all the proper drawings in Layout. Not a big deal just a deal.

For what it is worth I have been using Composites for my floor slabs.

For Roofs I have mostly gone the way to is constructed in the real world. I use a Roof plane with the Plywood thickness plus some to model the roof sheathing and roofing. I quess I should modify this to actually be a composite of Plywood, Felt (or Grace Ice & Water), and then Composition roofing (even use a sagged line for the Comp.). This way I can also turn the Felt and Comp to white pens for my framing Sections. ... Thanks for the extra work

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Fri, 11 May 2007 18:18:44 GMT

s2art wrote:
Jay

Here's one I'm working with at the moment. Must admit, I don't use composites very often. I think either way (solid fill or background) will work. The only implications I can think of would be with the Cut Fill v Drafting Fill settings in your Model View Options, and how you want to deal with those for various views (plans, sections etc.).

Another subtle difference is that if you use the same fill but just change the pen there is no separation line between the Fills. This may be what is desired or not. It seems that if the walls are in a line that there is no line regardless.

With the same fill pattern though, you do not get the shading distinction within the Composite selection DBX.

I am starting to lean towards the Solid fill (or make a Solid Fill 02 that is Gray, can you duplicate the Solid Fill?) with gray pen.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Fri, 11 May 2007 18:20:53 GMT

Picture worth at least 500 words.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Stress Co_ — Fri, 11 May 2007 20:10:56 GMT

Jay wrote:
Does anyone shade there walls?

I am only a humble Engineer, and we do not Shade the walls that often, but I thought that the Architects did this all the time. How do you spell Pouche?

I think it's Poche.
My mentor jokingly referred to it as "Post-shade".... as in: Shade in the walls, after you drew two lines

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Link — Sun, 13 May 2007 22:56:48 GMT

Jay

To answer your original question, I think you'll have the most flexibility using the Cut Fill Pen to determine the color of your poche. Stuart came the closest IMHO. If you use the Model View Option setting 'Cut Fill Patterns: Solid' to turn your walls into poche walls, the composite's Cut Fill Pen will be used to determine the color(s) of the poche, not the Cut Fill Background Pen.

Furthermore, I've had some client use dedicated pens for their cut fills, so that they can make their composites take on different effects (eg. colors) for different drawing types.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Mon, 14 May 2007 00:53:14 GMT

Link wrote:
.. If you use the Model View Option setting 'Cut Fill Patterns: Solid' to turn your walls into poche walls, the composite's Cut Fill Pen will be used to determine the color(s) of the poche, not the Cut Fill Background Pen....Cheers,
Link.

Thanks Link, I did not think about the Cut Fill Pens ability to supersede the Cut Fill Background Pen (at least for solid fills). And actually no fills colors for either the cutfill pen or teh cut fill background pen when the Model View Option setting 'Cut Fill Patterns: Solid'

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Mon, 14 May 2007 00:58:28 GMT

Cut fill & Cut fill Backgrounds colors do both display with the Model View Option setting 'Cut Fill Patterns: Solid'

Here is a 50% fill with a yellowish Cut Fill and a Black Cut fill background. I guess the result is a brown poche.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Link — Mon, 14 May 2007 02:17:29 GMT

Are you sure it's still set to solid?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Shading: cut fill Pen or Cut Fill Background Pen

Anonymous — Mon, 14 May 2007 10:11:41 GMT

Link wrote:
Are you sure it's still set to solid?

Cheers,
Link.

I am sorry for the confusion, you are right. now I see what you mean by
the "solid", I falsely assumed that we were just un-checking the box "Show
Cut Fill Contours Only". You are correct and my settings were 'As In
Settings' not 'Solid'.

The 'Solid' option would be difficult for me just because of the different cut fills that I use for columns and the different fill pens for gyp, board, plywood and siding. It can be done, but with much more attention to the pen sets and when those cut fills that are not part of the core that I want poched would have to be set to white.

still leaning towards using a Solid fill and adjusting the cut fill pen and setting the Model View Option setting 'Cut Fill Patterns: As In
Settings'.

Thanks for the info on how others are doing it.