topic Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So in Modeling

"Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico Softwa

Steve Jepson — Fri, 11 May 2007 06:04:22 GMT

"Constructor 2007 is based on award-winning Vico Software
modeling software Archicad® 10, which introduces new functionality
that increases modeling freedom and productivity."

Are these people trying to claim that Archicad® 10 is Vico Software?

I think Vico Software (Constructor 2007)is based on smoke and mirrors marketing of ArchiCAD with a few new library parts and some add-ons.
Is there anything you can do with Constructor 2007 that you can not already do with ArchiCAD? No.

Archicad is Vico Software, ArchiCAD is Graphisoft software??

http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/marketing/vc/vico_con2007_bro.pdf

I would be surprised if Vico Software has even been around even as long as ArchiCAD 10. How is it that they can get away with saying that Archicad 10 is "award-winning Vico Software" ?

How many Archicad 10 users have ever even heard of Vico Software?

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Djordje — Fri, 11 May 2007 06:11:32 GMT

http://www.graphisoft.com/company/investor_center/GRPH_02122007ENG.html

Vico is the spin off of Graphisoft.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Fri, 11 May 2007 06:23:54 GMT

... in other words Nemetschek will make Archicad pure architectural frontend to Allplan.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Aaron Bourgoin — Fri, 11 May 2007 12:08:19 GMT

Evan Yares' short piece might help elucidate the whats and wherefores of VicoSoftware:

http://www.evanyares.com/the-cad-industry/2007/4/24/virtual-construction.html#comments

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Fri, 11 May 2007 13:42:04 GMT

Steve wrote:
"Constructor 2007 is based on award-winning Vico Software
modeling software Archicad® 10, which introduces new functionality
that increases modeling freedom and productivity."

Are these people trying to claim that Archicad® 10 is Vico Software?

Not really. They just take AC make their upgrades and turn it into Constructor. Add Estimator and controls for connection with Project management and scheduling software. Ohh and MEP systems are already in.

I think Vico Software (Constructor 2007)is based on smoke and mirrors marketing of ArchiCAD with a few new library parts and some add-ons.
Is there anything you can do with Constructor 2007 that you can not already do with ArchiCAD? No.

From architectural point of vier or Construction?
Can you make real 4D movie based on real schedule in AC? Can you make a 5D model with connection with estimate? No? There is your difference.

Archicad is Vico Software, ArchiCAD is Graphisoft software??

Archicad is Graphisoft, Constructor is Vico software.

http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/marketing/vc/vico_con2007_bro.pdf

I would be surprised if Vico Software has even been around even as long as ArchiCAD 10. How is it that they can get away with saying that Archicad 10 is "award-winning Vico Software" ?

How many Archicad 10 users have ever even heard of Vico
Software?

Here you are right. I have not noticed that but, this is not true statement. They definitely should correct it.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Bricklyne Clarence — Fri, 11 May 2007 17:52:15 GMT

This thread is a good example of what happens when you go on a rant before having all the facts in place and knowing what you're ranting about.

As has been said before, Vico ( get it? Virtual Construction?) Software is an offshoot company formed by former Graphisoft execs. - with the primary purpose of carrying forward the development of the Constructor 5D software suite, ( as in, formerly "Graphisoft Constructor")with the recent buyout of Graphisoft by Nemetschek.

And yes, Constructor is based, or rather, built on top of, ArchiCAD's Virtual Building engine with emphasis on tools for Contractors, Construction engineers and constultants as well as construction scheduling, and cost estimation. In fact, looking at the demo videos, it seems to me, almost identical, to working in ArchiCAD except with more extensive MEP and Structural tools as well as more fluid and integrated connection to scheduling, estimation and simulation tie-ins.

One can only surmise that the reason for the spin-off is likely because Graphisoft, now under Nemetschek, wanted to focus on primarly on ArchiCAD's development as well as on tools for Architects primarily, while still giving an opportunity for the further development of this pioneer software of virtual 5D construction and estimation, ( which has the potential of tying down a multi-billion dollar Industry - construction), and probably didn't have enough resources to keep both software's development going even with the buy-out. Seems sensible enough to me; I only hope they keep the close connection to ArchiCAD as I would imagine that some of the tools developed for MEP and construction down the road for Constructor would become useful and for Architects down the road especially when the 2 software speak exactly the same language.

Next time it might help actually reasearching the topic at hand beforehand.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Steve Jepson — Sat, 12 May 2007 06:13:15 GMT

Bricklyne wrote:
This thread is a good example of what happens when you go on a rant before having all the facts in place and knowing what you're ranting about....Next time it might help actually reasearching the topic at hand beforehand.

I did do my research. Anyone who has tried to research Constructor will soon realise that it is not easy to do. The informaiton I have found about price and how to buy it, I have posted here on this website.

I have been very seriously considering whether or not I should buy Constructor for several years. I have had several conversations with a Constructor sales rep and others who have used it in the past.

I also have a good working knowledge of Primavera, Project Works, ArchiCAD, the old ArchiCAD FM, and some knowledge of the MEP options (ArchiCAD add-ons) used in Constructor. They have all been around a long time. I have spent many hours with demo's of these products back when they were available.

Like the sales rep I spoke with, you may not even know that ArchiCAD can generate a very sophisticated Construction Simulations as well as material lists and schedules with an incredible amount of information that is exportable for use with other programs like the ones that come with Constructor.

To the best of my knowledge, Constructor never has had an up to date version of ArchiCAD either. They are always behind the times.

Is there anything about Constructor 2007 that is unique?

Is the Archicad 10 of Constructor any different than our ArchiCAD 10?

Are the MEP programs any different than the same ones they had before which also worked with ArchiCAD?

Is the Construction Simulaion any different than the ones we can already make with ArchiCAD?

Are not the other parts of Constructor nothing more than export to Primavera, Project Works, etc...(other programs)

Unless there has been new brochures printed for Constructor 2007, there is not enough informaion out there to verify these things.
I have no faith that the sales rep i spoke with knows anything about how to use ArchiCAD or Constructor. All they know is how to sell it as they were tought to understand it.

If this is not true, I need to know. I need to demo the product for myself.

Second best, would be to read a good review of Constructor written by someone who was first an expert ArchiCAD user, already had a good working knowledge of the other programs used in Constructor, and is now using Constructor 2007.

There must be several people who could tell us if there is anything "unique" in Constructor, or if it is just a bunch of other programs bundled for resale as a different product, called Constructor 2007.

To keep from restating everthing about this that has already been said on this website let me just add the words "ArchiCAD Residential" here so they can be used to link you to more about Constructor.

Some of you will remember that smoke and mirrors product as well.

I want to know the truth about Constructor 2007 and it is not easy to find.

Don't give me any of that 4D and 5D crap. There is no such thing.
These are only creative marketing terms for common things we already do.

http://www.primavera.com/industry/ec/index.asp
https://www.primavera.com/orders/contractor.asp

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 12 May 2007 15:30:08 GMT

Steve wrote:
Don't give me any of that 4D and 5D crap. There is no such thing.
These are only creative marketing terms for common things we already do

I disagree on that point, Steve, at least for most users.

The '4th dimension' of time is not something we include in our ArchiCAD projects. The examples given early on when Constructor was announced illustrate this: we ArchiCAD users draw a slab, perhaps even a composite including engineered fill, sand, etc, for a slab on grade. A Constructor model needs the engineered fill as one element, the sand as a separate one, the rebar as separate, and the concrete separately so that they can be scheduled both for material acquisition and delivery, equipment rental, labor assignment, and assembly. They may even need to model pour stops, etc...something most of us never consider in our models/drawings.

Where ArchiCAD is going with profiled walls is even further afield of Constructor-type modeling: sure, we can model a footing, stem wall with brickledge, brick veneer with reveals, interior frame wall, etc as a single profile and just draw it... but it cannot be scheduled as described above...other than mathematically (via recipes)...certainly not visually.

The '5th Dimension' is capital. A typical ArchiCAD designer/architect is not concerned with the flow of capital throughout the construction process - only perhaps with an estimate of total costs.

Cash flow management ("scheduling", if you will, of capital needs - which percolates to anticipated lines of credit, investment management, etc) and scheduling of equipment, materials and human resources are what make Vico's vision brilliant, innovative and timely. I think that their implementation is somewhat hampered by ArchiCAD as we know it today and will be curious to see how they evolve as a separate company.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Sat, 12 May 2007 17:03:47 GMT

Can a user of Archicad convert to VICO as part of their subsription? It sounds like it would be beter for a design/build guy like me.

Mark Hendriks

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 12 May 2007 19:32:19 GMT

Mark wrote:
Can a user of Archicad convert to VICO as part of their subsription? It sounds like it would be beter for a design/build guy like me.

If you do a search of the forums, you will find where pricing was given perhaps a year ago for such an upgrade (perhaps even relayed by Steve, if memory serves). But, both products were from Graphisoft then.

Now that Vico and Graphisoft are independent firms, that is a question that needs a fresh answer from someone from Vico.

Karl

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Sat, 12 May 2007 20:25:30 GMT

Steve wrote:
Don't give me any of that 4D and 5D crap. There is no such thing.
These are only creative marketing terms for common things we already do.

4D in Archicad and Constructor are totally different things. In AC you have to create some simplified schedule, while in Constructor Schedule is based on typical Estimating and scheduling rules used in most of large construction companies. When you create a wall you assign a recipe to that wall that is giving a software additional information like for example,
-this is a concrete wall,
-it takes so many man hours to form it, reinforce it, pour it, cure it and stripe it.
-you will need so much plywood, lumber and nails to form, it
-you will need so much concrete to do it
-you will need so much steel to reinforce it
-it is part of pour 4, will start to be formed on may 20 2007, and will be finished at July 12 2007.
-etc.
-it even gives you compare tools that allow you to che the cash flow during construction.
Of course part of this is done in Estimator - part of Constructor package, and in external scheduling software, but it works very good, and for those who need it is worth the price.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Bricklyne Clarence — Tue, 15 May 2007 17:43:26 GMT

Steve wrote:
I did do my research. Anyone who has tried to research Constructor will soon realise that it is not easy to do. The informaiton I have found about price and how to buy it, I have posted here on this website.

I have been very seriously considering whether or not I should buy Constructor for several years. I have had several conversations with a Constructor sales rep and others who have used it in the past.

I also have a good working knowledge of Primavera, Project Works, ArchiCAD, the old ArchiCAD FM, and some knowledge of the MEP options (ArchiCAD add-ons) used in Constructor. They have all been around a long time. I have spent many hours with demo's of these products back when they were available.

Like the sales rep I spoke with, you may not even know that ArchiCAD can generate a very sophisticated Construction Simulations as well as material lists and schedules with an incredible amount of information that is exportable for use with other programs like the ones that come with Constructor.

To the best of my knowledge, Constructor never has had an up to date version of ArchiCAD either. They are always behind the times.

Is there anything about Constructor 2007 that is unique?

Is the Archicad 10 of Constructor any different than our ArchiCAD 10?

Are the MEP programs any different than the same ones they had before which also worked with ArchiCAD?

Is the Construction Simulaion any different than the ones we can already make with ArchiCAD?

Are not the other parts of Constructor nothing more than export to Primavera, Project Works, etc...(other programs)

Unless there has been new brochures printed for Constructor 2007, there is not enough informaion out there to verify these things.
I have no faith that the sales rep i spoke with knows anything about how to use ArchiCAD or Constructor. All they know is how to sell it as they were tought to understand it.

If this is not true, I need to know. I need to demo the product for myself.

Second best, would be to read a good review of Constructor written by someone who was first an expert ArchiCAD user, already had a good working knowledge of the other programs used in Constructor, and is now using Constructor 2007.

There must be several people who could tell us if there is anything "unique" in Constructor, or if it is just a bunch of other programs bundled for resale as a different product, called Constructor 2007.

To keep from restating everthing about this that has already been said on this website let me just add the words "ArchiCAD Residential" here so they can be used to link you to more about Constructor.

Some of you will remember that smoke and mirrors product as well.

I want to know the truth about Constructor 2007 and it is not easy to find.

Don't give me any of that 4D and 5D crap. There is no such thing.
These are only creative marketing terms for common things we already do.

http://www.primavera.com/industry/ec/index.asp
https://www.primavera.com/orders/contractor.asp

As per the PM I sent you:

Can you add element "recipes" ( i.e information on exact construction structural materials, cost estimation, Specs. and even construction scheduling and phasing - the dreaded 4D/5D aspect that you don't want to hear about) to building elements in ArchiCAD?

Do you have a full-feature MEP modeller and functions to allow you to model and integrate HVAC, Plumbing and Electrical pipework, and ductwork right into the model from within the progam as opposed to using a 3rd-party program or plugin?

Can you "zone", "split" or subdivide your model in ArchiCAD into different cosnstruction zones specifying what construction order will be followed during the construction phase, and using realistic construction constraints as contractors actually do? Again all from within ArchiCAD? ( again that annoying 4D/5D scheduling thing)

Can you present an actual simulation (think video simulation of construction from excavation and foundation to MEP and roof top construction) of the actual construction process of your project based on a construction shcedule, scheduling rules and constriants and following a gnatt schedule diagram as is commonly used in a lot of architectural practices, both for scheduling their own internal design process and also for coordinating with consultants and engineers over the overall construction process? No? I didn't think so neither.
And unfortunately its not really possible to separate the whole 4D/5D aspect of the philosphy as you would like, since that is kind of integral to the whole idea and concept behind Constructor.

But I guess the really pertinent question or rather questions should have been

Have you even seen this demo video actually showing the program at work? (which would then ostensibly, or presumably allow one to see the differences from ArchiCAD)

http://www.vicosoftware.com/ftp/marketing/gsvcdemo/GSConstructorWebDemo/GSConstructorWebDemo.html

Have you even read this whitepaper?

http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/marketing/vc/con2007_bro.pdf

Better yet, in your "research", did you happen to stumble upon this page, not too far from where we are right now and from whence the above mentioend links actually came, along with much more information?

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/construction/

Alternatively, you could ask Miki Woodie who actually uses Constructor right now ( the 2005 version though) and has extensive knowledge of the program. For my part, simple research sufficed and that took me all of 2 minutes or less to dig up those links above.

P.S. I should probably mention that, to the best of my knowledge Constructor 2007 has not been released yet ( scheduled for later this year) Constructor 2005 is available though. Any current user can correct me if I'm wrong on this. So your best bet for a review is either from a current Constructor 2005 user or a C2007 beta tester; but I doubt their NDA would allow them to do that.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Tue, 15 May 2007 20:34:23 GMT

We actually use Constructor 2007. Based on AC 10. Constructor 2007 have been released in March. New version based on AC11 is scheduled for September.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Steve Jepson — Tue, 15 May 2007 21:15:21 GMT

"Bricklyne Clarence As per the PM I sent you wrote:

Do you have a full-feature MEP modeller and functions to allow you to model and integrate HVAC, Plumbing and Electrical pipework, and ductwork right into the model from within the progam as opposed to using a 3rd-party program or plugin? YES. Perhaps you did not know about how this add-on that used to work with ArchiCAD has been disabled since Constructor came along. It still works with version 7.) Perhaps they have updated them since then. They are still just add-ons for Archicad.

Can you "zone", "split" or subdivide your model in ArchiCAD into different cosnstruction zones specifying what construction order will be followed during the construction phase, and using realistic construction constraints as contractors actually do? YES.Again all from within ArchiCAD? ( again that annoying 4D/5D scheduling thing) It is not all from with in ArchiCAD. It is done with different programs. (some one tell me if this is not so)Can you present an actual simulation (think video simulation of construction from excavation and foundation to MEP and roof top construction) of the actual construction process of your project based on a construction shcedule, scheduling rules and constriants and following a gnatt schedule diagram as is commonly used in a lot of architectural practices, both for scheduling their own internal design process and also for coordinating with consultants and engineers over the overall construction process? YES

Do you know about .csp files? "Construction Simulation Project"
ArchiCAD does this very well. How do you think Constructor does it? With ArchiCAD. Try it yourself. It's fun, and you don't need Consctructor for this. Its an ArchiCAD feature. Version 9 or so.

No? I didn't think so neither.
And unfortunately its not really possible to separate the whole 4D/5D aspect of the philosphy as you would like, since that is kind of integral to the whole idea and concept behind Constructor.

But I guess the really pertinent question or rather questions should have been

Have you even seen this demo video actually showing the program at work? (which would then ostensibly, or presumably allow one to see the differences from ArchiCAD)

http://www.vicosoftware.com/ftp/marketing/gsvcdemo/GSConstructorWebDemo/GSConstructorWebDemo.html

Have you even read this whitepaper?

http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/marketing/vc/con2007_bro.pdf

Better yet, in your "research", did you happen to stumble upon this page, not too far from where we are right now and from whence the above mentioend links actually came, along with much more information?

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/construction/

Please! I have been watching Constructor evolve for years. You have not provided any informaion that is new to me.

My question remains the same and is very easy to answer I am sure.

Is there anything unique in Constructor or is it simpley Archicad configured with some add-ons bundled with other software?
ArchiCAD users beware. I think you will see several ArchiCAD features dissabled in the future (as in the past) to make Constructor look more unique.

I would like to see the special add-ons (if there are any) made available to ArchiCAD users.

Alternatively, you could ask Miki Woodie who actually uses Constructor right now ( the 2005 version though) and has extensive knowledge of the program. For my part, simple research sufficed and that took me all of 2 minutes or less to dig up those links above. Two min.? No wonder you are so much more uninformed than I am.

P.S. I should probably mention that, to the best of my knowledge Constructor 2007 has not been released yet ( scheduled for later this year) Constructor 2005 is available though. Any current user can correct me if I'm wrong on this. So your best bet for a review is either from a current Constructor 2005 user or a C2007 beta tester; but I doubt their NDA would allow them to do that.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Steve Jepson — Tue, 15 May 2007 21:36:32 GMT

Tell us Miki,

What is it about the Archicad in Constructor that is not the same as in the regular ArchiCAD?

Is there anything in our ArchiCAD that you can not do in the Constructor version?

Is there anything unique about it, or are the special things Constructor does, all done with other programs?

What are the other programs that come with Constructor?

Can we extract information from our version of ArchiCAD BIM to use with these programs, or only from the Constructor version?

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Bricklyne Clarence — Tue, 15 May 2007 23:19:16 GMT

Steve wrote:
..........

......Can you "zone", "split" or subdivide your model in ArchiCAD into different cosnstruction zones specifying what construction order will be followed during the construction phase, and using realistic construction constraints as contractors actually do?

YES.

Again, all from within ArchiCAD? ( again that annoying 4D/5D scheduling thing)

It is not all from with in ArchiCAD. It is done with different programs.( some one tell me if this is not so)........

Wow......You're incredible....(and that's not exactly a compliment).

I asked you if one can perform some of the functions that I mentioned from Constructor 2007 (such as the one above) in ArchiCAD, FROM WITHIN THE PROGRAM ITSELF, and your response to most of the questions was that YES you can, but that you need to EXPORT the data to OTHER programs first or use non-native plugins.

Essentially misunderstanding the question and then contradicting yourself in the answer which was basically wrong anyway.

If you can't do any of that stuff from within the program itself using native tools fro the program's tool-set, then logically your answer should have been NO, you can't do any of that stuff from WITHIN ArchiCAD, WITHOUT the help of additional third-party programs or plugins and WITHOUT EXPORTING data - unlike how you would do it in Constructor 2007.

It seems simple enough, but then again, that's just to me.

But in any case, it now becomes clear now, why someone who claims to be so knowledgeable regarding Constructor - having followed its development "longer than (I) have even known about it", - still seemed to have difficulty figuring out that Vico Software ( you know, Virtual Construction Software) was an offshoot company formed by former Graphisoft Executives to carry forward the development of Constructor separate from ArchiCAD's development; - even when the links informing one of this fact were in exactly the SAME page as the link that you yourself posted here.
Or the fact that you still couldn't figure out nor didn't know that Constructor is actually built on top of or based on ArchCAD's BIM engine even when the same information is given, posted and published on the very same web-pages you claimed to have visited. Sharp perceptive skills you have there my friend - I humbly bow to your majestic powers of observation.

So, at this juncture, to spare myself more annoying and insulting PM's, I hope you will allow me to excuse myself from this discussion and from having to try to help someone who claims to know more than I or anyone else on this board does, regarding a software that even he himself by his own admission has never used.

It obviously begs the question as to why one would still be asking all these questions on a subject that they seem to be, and almost even claim to be experts on, but I digress. Perhaps others here may be of more help to you - personally would suggest directing them to the source itself, you know, Graphisoft? As opposed to looking for opportunities to annoy and put down users trying to help you, in your quest for answers here on their talk-back forum.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

TomWaltz — Tue, 15 May 2007 23:46:27 GMT

Steve wrote:
What is it about the Archicad in Constructor that is not the same as in the regular ArchiCAD?

Uh... see some of the previous posts.

Is there anything in our ArchiCAD that you can not do in the Constructor version?

Is there anything unique about it, or are the special things Constructor does, all done with other programs?

As has been answered, yes and yes.

What are the other programs that come with Constructor?

Technically, none. It's like asking what other programs come with Archicad, while considering Teamwork, Modules, and DWG Translation a separate program. Estimator, Cost Manager, and Control are part of the package.

Can we extract information from our version of ArchiCAD BIM to use with these programs, or only from the Constructor version?

Only from Constructor.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Anonymous — Wed, 16 May 2007 01:51:00 GMT

Steve wrote:
Tell us Miki,

What is it about the Archicad in Constructor that is not the same as in the regular ArchiCAD?

If you are asking about the things that exist in both packages - are the same, but ...
Constructor is equipped with full set of Estimating (5D) and Sequencing Tools (4D). Those tools allows you to create and fully control procedures and processes of construction. It is not simple construction simulation - it is real construction schedule connection. It is "quite" different for small residence and large (let's say $250mil.) hospital with over 6000 tasks during 3 years. Quite different. The same about estimating. It is not what is the volume of concrete used for foundation, but rather all the details about a pour. From pieces of plywood to Union participation and Social Security fees. Also quite different.

Is there anything in our ArchiCAD that you can not do in the Constructor version?

Is that a tricky question?

Is there anything unique about it, or are the special things Constructor does, all done with other programs?

If Control was part of he package I could say - you can control whole job, but it actually have sense since a lot of companies is already using other system (Constructor have internal connection with their databases and servers) and you are not limited to ViCo's solution.

What are the other programs that come with Constructor?

Can we extract information from our version of ArchiCAD BIM to use with these programs, or only from the Constructor version?

Constructor comes as a package of few programs:
-Constructor
-Estimator
-5D Presenter (useful for distributing 5D presentation - 'cause is free)

And you can connect BIM model only from Constructor.

Hope this will cut it out.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Steve Jepson — Wed, 16 May 2007 09:00:17 GMT

Bricklyne wrote:
Steve wrote:
..........

......Can you "zone", "split" or subdivide your model in ArchiCAD into different cosnstruction zones specifying what construction order will be followed during the construction phase, and using realistic construction constraints as contractors actually do?

YES.

Again, all from within ArchiCAD? ( again that annoying 4D/5D scheduling thing)

It is not all from with in ArchiCAD. It is done with different programs.( some one tell me if this is not so)........

Wow......You're incredible....(and that's not exactly a compliment).

I was referring to Constructor. What it does, it does not do with just one program. I also asked that someone tell me if that is not true) I don't know. That is why I am asking.

I asked you if one can perform some of the functions that I mentioned from Constructor 2007 (such as the one above) in ArchiCAD, FROM WITHIN THE PROGRAM ITSELF, and your response to most of the questions was that YES you can, but that you need to EXPORT the data to OTHER programs first or use non-native plugins.

( No, that was not what I said. Yes is still my answer. I can do those things with ArchiCAD and I can even make a movie of it using the Construction Simulator. For all I know, Constructor uses ArchiCAD's Construction Simulator to make it's movies for the 5d viewer. I don't know? Do you? Just like Constructor, I can import and export data for Microsoft Project where it can be processed in even more detail.
Keep in mind that Constructor is not A program. It is a group of programs. Only one of which is ArchiCAD.)

Essentially misunderstanding the question and then contradicting yourself in the answer which was basically wrong anyway.

If you can't do any of that stuff from within the program itself using native tools fro the program's tool-set, then logically your answer should have been NO, you can't do any of that stuff from WITHIN ArchiCAD, WITHOUT the help of additional third-party programs or plugins and WITHOUT EXPORTING data - unlike how you would do it in Constructor 2007. (What is it about those things that makes you think you could not do them in ArchiCAD? Constructor is using ArchiCAD to do these things.

It seems simple enough, but then again, that's just to me.

But in any case, it now becomes clear now, why someone who claims to be so knowledgeable regarding Constructor - having followed its development "longer than (I) have even known about it", - still seemed to have difficulty figuring out that Vico Software ( you know, Virtual Construction Software) was an offshoot company formed by former Graphisoft Executives to carry forward the development of Constructor separate from ArchiCAD's development; - even when the links informing one of this fact were in exactly the SAME page as the link that you yourself posted here.

( I have no idea why you would think I did not know that? Perhaps it is someone else you are thinking of.)

Or the fact that you still couldn't figure out nor didn't know that Constructor is actually built on top of or based on ArchCAD's BAM engine

(you must have imagined that I did not know this)

even when the same information is given, posted and published on the very same web-pages you claimed to have visited. Sharp perceptive skills you have there my friend - I humbly bow to your majestic powers of observation. Thank you.

So, at this juncture, to spare myself more annoying and insulting PM's, (What was it that made you feel insulted?)I hope you will allow me to excuse myself from this discussion and from having to try to help someone who claims to know more than I or anyone else on this board does, regarding a software that even he himself by his own admission has never used.

(I would not be asking questions if I had already used the soft ware.)

It obviously begs the question as to why one would still be asking all these questions on a subject that they seem to be, and almost even claim to be experts on, but I digress. Perhaps others here may be of more help to you - personally would suggest directing them to the source itself, you know, Graphisoft?
( They do not have anymore information than you do.
As opposed to looking for opportunities to annoy and put down users trying to help you, in your quest for answers here on their talk-back forum.

I love this game!

Anyway. I think I have found the part I was missing.

Vico Software Control 2007. This is what makes Constructor unique. It's the part that integrates all of the various programs together.
That's what you can not do in ArchiCAD.

We can export data from ArchiCAD to be used with Primavera and similar programs that with do anything Constructor can do, but we can not integrate them.

My question now is, do I need to have all of my construction software integrated in the way Software Control does it?

Probably not. The scale of projects I work on would probably not be worth the time it takes to produce the data.
I will probably never know since they don't have a demo and it is very expensive software.

Re: "Archicad 10 is award-winning Vico So

Steve Jepson — Mon, 21 May 2007 15:42:16 GMT

http://download.graphisoft.com/ftp/marketing/vc/vico_con2007_bro.pdf

I would be surprised if Vico Software has even been around even as long as ArchiCAD 10. How is it that they can get away with saying that Archicad 10 is "award-winning Vico Software" ?

How many Archicad 10 users have ever even heard of Vico
Software?

Here you are right. I have not noticed that but, this is not true statement. They definitely should correct it.

They have made the correction now. It does say award-wining Graphisoft ArhicCAD 10 now in most references that I saw.
It was just a typo I am sure.