topic Re: Ceiling Joist Plan in Modeling

Ceiling Joist Plan

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:58:53 GMT

How do you make one?

I am lost.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

TDabney — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 00:30:14 GMT

Are you asking graphicly? or how do you get roof joists to show on your framing plan? What are you trying to show?

I typically ghost walls etc... underneath and show framing members and notes darker - see attached. EVERYONE does it differently!
Tom

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:44:34 GMT

TDabney wrote:
...I typically ghost walls etc... underneath and show framing members and notes darker - see attached. EVERYONE does it differently!
Tom

Tom,
Would it be possible for you to upload a PDF of this plan so we can all see it in more detail? It seems to be be nicely organized and detailed...I would love to see it more clearly...we can all benefit from seeing more great examples like this!

Thanks,
Dan K

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:12:15 GMT

Dan wrote:
TDabney wrote:
...I typically ghost walls etc... underneath and show framing members and notes darker - see attached. EVERYONE does it differently!
Tom
we can all benefit from seeing more great examples like this!

Thanks,
Dan K

I agree, please show.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Seiss Wagner — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:24:34 GMT

TDabney -

Your joist plan is really quite nice! Would you please share with us the process by which you ghost the floor plan.

I think we could all benefit from your experience.

Seiss

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

__archiben — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:42:23 GMT

1. model your framing members with a specific 'framing pen' (or draft them if you're not into the VB concept!)

2. in your display options, change the doors and windows to "reflected ceiling plan" and save the view.

3. in plotmaker change all of your main drafting pens to a greyscale (or hairline black) and the 'framing pen' make a thicker black by over-riding the pen settings for that drawing (right click the drawing>Drawing Settings...>Attribute Update Rules)

that's just the basics - you'd need to control your layer combinations and would probably already have an RCP display option set up to choose from . . . it's the altering of the pen tables in plotmaker that really makes construction documentation of this kind sing!

HTH
~/archiben

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

TDabney — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:01:53 GMT

ArchiBen pretty much described the method I use - thanks for saving me some typing! There are a bunch of other ways to achieve the same look though - I've seen some other templates that use all sorts of complicated .PMK overlays etc... this, (to me) seems like the simplest. I work on mostly residential and small commercial projects - so I don't need 5 million layers, layouts, view sets etc... it gets hard to manage all that if it gets too complicated. My brain is already at max capacity!
Tom

ps - I had some troubles uploading the first image - I had to resize it and try a few times. The PDF worked on the first try. Is watching the file size - and getting as close as possible to the max - the only way to upload the biggest possible attachment?

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rick Thompson — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:22:19 GMT

One other thing that maybe useful. There is an object in the truss library called "JOIST Beam" (I guess they wanted to emphasize JOIST... I am not shouting:). I use it. I ID them to the stock lumber size and it makes for a good framing take off. To do it accurately you need to do it like it is actually built, not exactly like the typical framing plan. First place band joist (I id them all 2x10x16 as an example). Then place and multiply for an area. Then I go off to the side (so I can eliminate it in plotmaker), and place a few extra for blocking and header material. If you have a short span that would actually have 2 - 8's cut from one 16' board, then select half of them and delete the ID. Combined with proper displaying and layering (as in other comments) it can be a very quick framing and material list.

I don't change anything in plotmaker, except adjust the box size to cut out the header material and blocking. I set the display for the framing quickviews to "no fills" for the walls, and place a hatched fill over the bearing walls. I actually use a green pen for PT joist and a brown pen for the rest... they prints 2 shades of grey and look great in pdf. You never know when color will be common in printing:)

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:37:07 GMT

Rick wrote:
One other thing that maybe useful. There is an object in the truss library called "JOIST Beam" (I guess they wanted to emphasize JOIST... I am not shouting:). I use it. I ID them to the stock lumber size and it makes for a good framing take off. To do it accurately you need to do it like it is actually built, not exactly like the typical framing plan. First place band joist (I id them all 2x10x16 as an example). Then place and multiply for an area. Then I go off to the side (so I can eliminate it in plotmaker), and place a few extra for blocking and header material. If you have a short span that would actually have 2 - 8's cut from one 16' board, then select half of them and delete the ID. Combined with proper displaying and layering (as in other comments) it can be a very quick framing and material list.

I don't change anything in plotmaker, except adjust the box size to cut out the header material and blocking. I set the display for the framing quickviews to "no fills" for the walls, and place a hatched fill over the bearing walls. I actually use a green pen for PT joist and a brown pen for the rest... they prints 2 shades of grey and look great in pdf. You never know when color will be common in printing:)

Do you have a pdf file of the color plan?

I would love to see it.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rick Thompson — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:22:27 GMT

Let me add an excuse:) I sell stock plans. I don't normally need to do "real" framing plans. My plans are not very complicated and all needed structural info is on the main plans. I mostly do these for material take offs.... however, the City of Atlanta is staffed by mentally challenged plan reviews.. it is very sad. I send plans all over the country, and no where else can compare to the redundancy they require for the plans. (To be a licensed builder you take out a business permit... that's it). So, this is geared to please then and help the poor person that has to deal with the city of Atlanta, and not very well noted.. etc.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rakela Raul — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:11:32 GMT

does the text font print legible in 11x17 format ??
nice plans btw

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Richard Morrison — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:08:30 GMT

Rick:

I don't know what you're whining about. This foundation plan wouldn't go very far in the SF Bay Area. We would also need info on specific joist hangers, holdowns, anchor bolts, vent locations, etc. Presumably, the subfloor nailing schedule is shown elsewhere.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rick Thompson — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:22:18 GMT

They really are retarded, one in particular (and he's from CA.. interesting:) All stock plans going to CA will require separate engineering anyway. They have no earthquake or hurricane issues in Atlanta so it is a waste of the buyers money (all info is already in the plans.. it's just repeated). I have modified plans for this one reviewer and he has actually red lined his own notes from the first go around! Last week he wanted penetrations in a firewall in the crawl space and attic (access). He has had me add piers in the crawl under the landing of stairs (which don't touch the floor!!!! whine whine whine... and that's not mentioning the poor builder who is sitting there:-)

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rakela Raul — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:04:09 GMT

richard, seems that you use ca and ac ???
for what task do u use ca?? if i can ask

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Richard Morrison — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:19:19 GMT

Well, this is getting a little off topic, but in short, I like CA for preliminary quick designing, including in front of the client. It works for me like Sketchup probably does for others. With the latest release, I will likely use it for more. More discussion on this topic is probably inappropriate here.

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rakela Raul — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:22:19 GMT

thx richard, good enough......

rick, can i ask u about the process of buying plans from you??

who normally buy the plans from you, owners or gc's or other architect ?? are you register in all states and send the plans signed and sealed? or the buyer finds an architect to seal your plans?? how does it work?? if i askd too much dont worry about it, thx a lot

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rick Thompson — Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:36:14 GMT

wasn't sure if your question at the top was for me... but yes, it prints fine on 8.5x11.

Owners, builders, city governments and a few architects have bought plans. You don't need to be licensed to do residential work, except a few states are problematic. New Jersey comes to mind, unless you are the owner pulling the permit they want it sealed. No, I'm not registered except in NC

Re: Ceiling Joist Plan

Rakela Raul — Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:11:34 GMT

thx rick,
now i understand how your deal works, good for you rick...the reason i askd about the font its cuz yeeears back i had issues with reading some of the numbers and switched to arial narrow till today...your font looks better though..thx...
i wont ask about ca, richard might send me to another forum