topic Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan in Modeling

beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 10:34:26 GMT

Can anyone tell me how to show my beams on my ceiling as a solid line rather than a dotted line.

We want dotted line for floor plan and solid line for ceiling plan.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

__archiben — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:18:00 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to show my beams on my ceiling as a solid line rather than a dotted line.

We want dotted line for floor plan and solid line for ceiling plan.

change your model view options . . .

~/archiben

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:59:09 GMT

ok....

if the beam's contour lines are dashed, so as to appear dashed in plan, won't they still appear as dashed in the rcp and not solid as the question asks?

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:25:32 GMT

I recently saw this on the 'On Land'website blog regarding creating an object that changes line type:

http://www.onland.info/archives/2007/07/ceiling_line_jm11.php

I have virtually no GDL skills or knowledge yet so I don't have a clue how to implement it, but it looks interesting.

Speaking of On Land - I pretty much drool over the tools and objects that James (at least that's the name on the posts) has created over there - soffits and trims and fireplaces, and on and on... Pretty cool, must be very nice to work a firm with someone always working to update and enhance AC.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:51:44 GMT

i couldn't agree more! i work in a small office and had to be self taught. resources like these are invaluable to me.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Erich — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 00:58:55 GMT

I also agree James Murray's online cad standards manual is a fantastic site. As our firm is planning to make the switch to Archicad soon and we do similar work to what Mr. Murray's firm does (see http://www.rilldecker.com/ ) I try to glean as much as possible from what he allows us to see or even occasionally use.

Thank for being an inspiration.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Djordje — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:19:00 GMT

Chris wrote:
Speaking of On Land - I pretty much drool over the tools and objects that James (at least that's the name on the posts)

You can see the gentleman here too ... James Murray

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:26:37 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
Jesikuh123 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to show my beams on my ceiling as a solid line rather than a dotted line.

We want dotted line for floor plan and solid line for ceiling plan.
change your model view options . . .

~/archiben

I have- but they st ill show as dotted on RCP.
If I say show ebtire beam on RCP it shows as dotted, if I say show countour line it shows as dotted.

I guess I am missing a linetype setting in the beam settings box somewhere?

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

__archiben — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 21:07:47 GMT

sorry - that was my bad . . . i thought you were after solid contours on your RCP and a dashed centreline on your floor plans.

you could probably fiddle with cut-planes, line types and projection types to get something close to what you're after but it sounds like too much trouble. do you need the full contours on your floor plan?

i tend to work with beams set to the 'outline' only projection type, but only show their contours as and when i need them . . . otherwise, when they are shown, it is just their centreline that displays . . .

sorry again . . . i should read rather than scan!

~/archiben

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Fri, 20 May 2016 18:19:18 GMT

James Murray wrote this post in 2007.

"A beam, or any other ceiling element, should be shown dashed in the architectural plan, because it's overhead. That same beam needs to be shown solid in the reflected ceiling plan, because then you're upside down looking straight at it. Using a conventional beam element, you would draw it with a dashed line in plan. But you can't show the same element in the RCP, because you can't make the beam draw itself solid. So you trace the beams with lines."

And there still isn't a solution?

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 20 May 2016 19:50:30 GMT

AC 20 graphical overrides do the trick.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 24 May 2016 18:26:47 GMT

Another thing Graphic Overrides (GO) will be great for is changing the 2D Representation of multi-story elements on the various stories.
For example, if you have a Roof and you may define a Graphic Override Rule to show its outlines with a different Line Type (for example, dashed line on lower Stories).

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Jun 2016 23:33:34 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Can anyone tell me how to show my beams on my ceiling as a solid line rather than a dotted line.

We want dotted line for floor plan and solid line for ceiling plan.

Chris wrote:
I have virtually no GDL skills....

Nathan wrote:
And there still isn't a solution?

ejrolon wrote:
AC 20 graphical overrides do the trick.

I am not sure I read this revived, nine-year-old thread correctly, but if the issue at hand is "how to draw the same overhead beam with Solid line on RCP plan and Dashed line on regular plan?", then you can do that without having any GDL knowledge or waiting for a future ARCHICAD 20 release.

Beams are usually located above the Floor Plan Cut Plane and, thus, are shown on a floor plan with dashed line by default.
If you move Floor Plan Cut Plane above the beam's elevation (even beyond your upper floor level) all beam outlines will turn solid.
Floor Plan Cut Plane position will be saved with your View, so you can make different Views for regular plan and RCP.
You can work on agreeable pen colors and weights by saving specific pen set for your RCP-related View in a View Map (separate from your regular floor plans).
You can also use Model View Options to fine tune how beams look in plan (with or without centerline). This setting is also savable with View settings.

Floor Plan Cut Plane settings dialog became first available in 2006 in AC10, so the original poster could have used this technique in 2007.

Am I missing something?

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ejrolon wrote:
AC 20 graphical overrides do the trick.

Actually, I don't think they would in this case, or should in general.

Correct me in I am wrong, but it appears that your sceenshot shows an override rule that you can't save with a specific View within a View Map (beam overridden with this rule will always be zigzagged regardless of View settings) defeating the point by the original poster of having the same element (beam) to be shown differently (solid or dashed) on different views (floor plan and RCP).

If the issue is to simply change beam outline to Solid Line instead of Dashed/Hidden on every view within a View Map, I don't think you need to wait for AC20 ether.
You can simply make sure that Floor Plan Display of the beam in question is set to "Projected with Overhead" and select "Solid Line" under "Outlines/Overhead Lines". Works in all versions of ARCHICAD.

Side note: I think that newly-found simplicity of AC20 graphical override will leave anyone with less than stellar understanding of ARCHICAD mechanics totally bewildered by unexpected results in different locations on Project Map or View Map due to multi-layered custom override issues conflicting with each other.
People will stop learning how ARCHICAD is structured and will start overriding all options they can find, in essence, severing long-standing internal connections inherent to ARCHICAD's holistic BIM model approach.

My personal opinion is that AC20 graphical overrides will do wonders when used with caution, but will wreck havoc within a project if used with little planning.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 05:56:00 GMT

Couldn't see if anyone has mentioned 3d documents as an alternative way to produce RCPs. Since i discovered this method, I haven't done a RCP the conventional way again...
Basically, from plan window, create new 3d document, then select created 3d view, open settings dialog and change projection selection from plan to ceiling.
Benefits:
-Accurate RCP of of 3d model view; no need to worry about line types;
- Can turn on vectorial hatching if required;
- Can adjust cutplane to show or hide furniture as required (i.e. hide items below cut plane);
- Easy way to check modelling of ceiling/soffits etc.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

alemanda — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 17:08:11 GMT

@Anton Kazmin

I think what you proposed works only in simple situations ... so simple that maybe never happens ... I mean when you place the FPCP above the beams' level, yes you get the beams with a solid line, but you also cut something belonging to the upper levels and not the walls you see in the normal floor plan ... So it's not a RCP.

AC20, on the other hand, helps to do achieve a better result.

Re: beams and reflected ceiling plan

Eduardo Rolon — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:34:30 GMT

Anton wrote:
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p.s.
ejrolon wrote:
AC 20 graphical overrides do the trick.
Actually, I don't think they would in this case, or should in general.

Correct me in I am wrong, but it appears that your sceenshot shows an override rule that you can't save with a specific View…
My personal opinion is that AC20 graphical overrides will do wonders when used with caution, but will wreck havoc within a project if used with little planning.

GO's can be saved on a per view basis so I can have one View with Zig-Zags, another copy with a GO for solid etc.

Anton wrote:
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My personal opinion is that AC20 graphical overrides will do wonders when used with caution, but will wreck havoc within a project if used with little planning.

Yep. With great power comes greater responsibility…