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Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 13:20:05 GMT

Thanks for reading...

I just upgraded from 6.5 to 9, and see there is a really nice curtain wall symbol that seems like it would be perfect for doing storefront windows.

But if I want an alumninum storefront window thats 10 feet wide divided into 3 equal panes, is there any way to do that without doing the math and entering the 1st pane width and the 2nd pane width... etc etc.

Perhaps i should be using another part?

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Aussie John — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:58:51 GMT

there are ribbon style windows which you can just type the number of panels and they come up in equal spacings. I cant give you a name as I dont use the standard winodws

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:16:49 GMT

This is one of those things that clearly demonstrated what is wrong with AC. Because, after 15 year it lacks a graphic store front modeler where one can add in an elevation whatever one needs.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Djordje — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:48:44 GMT

Maxam wrote:
But if I want an alumninum storefront window thats 10 feet wide divided into 3 equal panes, is there any way to do that without doing the math and entering the 1st pane width and the 2nd pane width... etc etc.

Select the placed one, view it in 3D, set your Special snap points to 3 divisions, drag mullions in place. No math required.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:43:47 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Select the placed one, view it in 3D, set your Special snap points to 3 divisions, drag mullions in place. No math required.

Good screen shot and example, Djordje! No criticism of those asking the questions, but my impression is that typical users still are not aware of (or are not using) the special snap points. You might post your own message to the Tips section. 😉

Karl

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:06:09 GMT

I've had problems with this part when deleting the transom (set height to zero) and the frame disappears. Is this a known bug and will it be fixed?

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:33:13 GMT

Those 3d adjustments are only a far cry from what parametric is or wat GS promised. in fact this is a living proof of the inability of this Library based software to live up to what it promised.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:33:41 GMT

Adalbert wrote:
Those 3d adjustments are only a far cry from what parametric is or wat GS promised. in fact this is a living proof of the inability of this Library based software to live up to what it promised.

Could your outline, in detail, what you think SHOULD happen?

Karl

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:57:22 GMT

Sorry, it is obvious that any and all parts should be editable free to move and be modeled even bent and this on any direction.

It is coming the question is what will be called.

..... plese someone let me know.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Dwight — Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:19:54 GMT

There certainly are many bad GDL elements that lack easy plasticity. But that is nothing: Why can't we just wave our arms and have buildings appear? That would be a better quality of whining. And appropriate to my Avatar.

For anyone who sits down to write a GDL object with the intention of making it totally parametric - don't forget that our lead user and complainer wants it all to twist and undulate in case he wakes up feeling like Frank Gehry. Or rather, one of his stooges, on account of Him [talk about being unworthy - now there's a guy who's garment hem I am not worthy to touch] liking to work with crumpled up tracing paper.

Tired and emotional. Friday and the work is not finished.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:01:42 GMT

Absurdity Abounds.

I can't think of what else to say to this.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Aussie John — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:47:26 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Select the placed one, view it in 3D, set your Special snap points to 3 divisions, drag mullions in place. No math required.

Djorde, Thats a good idea and of course can do it in elevations view too.
If the window sets the middle mullions out by the centreline then your method wont give you equal width glazing panels as the end mullions are setout by the outside edges. Hence the outer panels will be half a mullion narrower.

At least in elevation view you can draw a line (length less one mullion long) and use that for the division points.

I personally would hack the object script to have the option of setting the mullions out evenly.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Aussie John — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:52:48 GMT

And yes an all singing and dancing object becomes absurd to script. That said I try to use only one door type (that has many options including roller, multifold, sliding, double, single, fanlight, frameless etc) as it means i dont have to resize it if I change to a different type of door.

It also facilitates the interactive schedule and production of a useful door schedule.

If I need a door with a sidelight I combine it with a window.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:37:08 GMT

Aussie wrote:
And yes an all singing and dancing object becomes absurd to script. That said I try to use only one door type (that has many options including roller, multifold, sliding, double, single, fanlight, frameless etc) as it means i dont have to resize it if I change to a different type of door.

The problem is that this should not be necessary. As Adalbert and I agree elsewhere, library parts are in serious need of improvement. You shouldn't have to have a one size fits all door just to preserve common parameters.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Djordje — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:49:36 GMT

Aussie wrote:
Djorde, Thats a good idea and of course can do it in elevations view too.
If the window sets the middle mullions out by the centreline then your method wont give you equal width glazing panels as the end mullions are setout by the outside edges. Hence the outer panels will be half a mullion narrower.

At least in elevation view you can draw a line (length less one mullion long) and use that for the division points.

Knowing the mullion width, you can always start the Special snap point rubberband at a relative coordinate - half a mullion - from the opening end and end it before.

And, Karl, I do not think that this deserves a Tip status. It would in the same way that "HEY! YOU CAN EDIT IN 3D WINDOW!" would.

Now, why people who realize the advantages of the Virtual Building insist on working in plans, sections and elevations, is beyond me ...

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:39:52 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Now, why people who realize the advantages of the Virtual Building insist on working in plans, sections and elevations, is beyond me ...

Different views (of the model) provide different features and advantages. I frequently switch views to do various tasks. For example: nothing beats the section window for precise fitting of roofs, walls and eaves details; the plan window is still the easiest place to layout furniture; for doors and windows I switch between all three.

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Dwight — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 03:46:13 GMT

[With enthusiasm]

"But, Djordje and Matthew, you are both right! Even if we are working orthographically, the Virtual Building provides an information link and instant update between all views vital to productivity in the new millennium."

[Turn, smiling, to camera. Hold up ArchiCAD 9 box. Rooster - since c*o*c*k was censored - [what shyte!] head inquisitively.]

Re: Easy one? Equally divide a storefront window?

Djordje — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 17:17:48 GMT

Dwight wrote:
[With enthusiasm]

"But, Djordje and Matthew, you are both right! Even if we are working orthographically, the Virtual Building provides an information link and instant update between all views vital to productivity in the new millennium."

[Turn, smiling, to camera. Hold up ArchiCAD 9 box. Rooster - since c*o*c*k was censored - [what shyte!] head inquisitively.]

... as the audience is smothered by the warm, fuzzy feeling ...