topic Re: invisable columns in Modeling

invisable columns

Jefferson — Fri, 26 May 2023 10:55:11 GMT

Here's a good one---

I have covered porch with 10x10 columns, outline pens for plan, section and 3d set to the same heavy black.

They all appear in plan and 3d, NO apperant outline pen in 3d, I can live with that, I don't like it but I can live with it. However when just the columns are selected and displayed in the 3d window the proper outline pen is displayed, as it should be.

The greater and more troubling thing is the columns in my elevations/sections, where there is anything behind them, are not outlined at all!

I have vectoral shadows set on, and the cast shadows are there!

I have also checked and even reset {modified} my layer combos to insure that the columns are"on".

A short reminder that I am working in ver 7. Any ideas, I have presentations to make early this week and I can work around this if I have to, but I'd like to know WHY this is hapening.

Re: invisable columns

Anonymous — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:29:37 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
Here's a good one---

I have covered porch with 10x10 columns, outline pens for plan, section and 3d set to the same heavy black.

You sure they're 10 x 10 square columns, and you haven't accidentally hit the circular column option? Circular columns tend to give problems because they don't have vertical 'edges'.

Kim

P.S. Why don't you attach a screen capture so we can see what you mean?

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:38:54 GMT

Hey Kim,

Nope, square columns.

I"ll give it a try posting both the info box and a cropped elevation with some columns selected. You'll see that the selection dots indicate the way the columns are being "seen". Note the lack of outline pen on the "inside" columns. They all have the same settings, verified and reverified.

Puzzling to say the least.

It appears that I cannot attach more than one attachment at a time........................more in a second......................

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:41:31 GMT

object info box................this is certainly a step up from e-scribe

Are you watching Link?

Re: invisable columns

David Pacifico — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:01:16 GMT

Try making your column or wall (those low walls) not occupy the same space. [I'm not saying it's a good answer]

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:22:01 GMT

David,
That was it. I cut one of the low walls and checked it and all was well. To compensate I used the slab tool to model the wall's replacement.

So the intersections priorities of posts and walls, I thought I had that dialed in but..................walls @ 10, columns @ 12, beams @ 7. I worked on understanding this because when I first began to model the "holes" in walls gave me fits until I figured out how to adjust the priorites.

I take it I still have something wrong, or can't you do what I was trying here in ver 7?

Regardless thank you.

Re: invisable columns

Anonymous — Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:25:17 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
I"ll give it a try posting both the info box and a cropped elevation with some columns selected. You'll see that the selection dots indicate the way the columns are being "seen". Note the lack of outline pen on the "inside" columns. They all have the same settings, verified and reverified.

Yes. Very strange. It seems to me to have something to do with the shadows - how does it generate when the shadows are turned off? Any improvement?

Won't be online again for a few hours. (it's 2:20am here)

Kim

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 00:30:39 GMT

That would be WAY past bedtime for this dog......................

The shadows were a non factor. David's call on the wall, I'm thinking, is the governing factor. But how and why?

"Only the Shadow knows", sorry couldn't resist.

check this out.................................the low wall on the right is now a slab, all the rest are still walls, the corner column works as desired the, the two captured in the slab as well while the rest are "invisable".

Re: invisable columns

Anonymous — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 04:52:16 GMT

You sure don't have duplicates?

set the 3d report to detailed (options/preferences /imaging and calculation) and check report after a rebuild....

just wild guesses...

Re: invisable columns

Djordje — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 04:59:00 GMT

Jefferson wrote:
The shadows were a non factor. David's call on the wall, I'm thinking, is the governing factor. But how and why?

This most often happens because of the duplicates, and also - check your wall/column wrapping. That can often be a culprit.

You don't have to delete the walls - just butt them into columns, having multiple instead of one wall.

HTH,

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:18:16 GMT

Ferenc & Djordje,

Thanks for the ideas, ...............

I did a select all with column tool on and the count came up correct. No duplicates. The column wrap was set not to wrap amd then I tried set to wrap. I tried these things before I called for help.....................same results.

But I think Djordje, you're probably on to something with the "break" routine in the short walls. However given that seems more complex than using the slab tool I am inclined to take the path of least resistance.

Also the 3d report is set for detialed, but not really certian how that would factor in since the count came up correct. Wold this report only initiate after an error ( my only real experience with the reports) or should I try and access it another way?

Re: invisable columns

Richard Morrison — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 06:48:40 GMT

You might also try setting the bottom of the columns just above the low walls so they aren't partially "buried".

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Mon, 03 Nov 2003 14:41:06 GMT

Hi Richard,

Yes I think that would work as well. I am one of those "model it all" guys so I want to show those columns as the structural members that they are............................when I finally get 8.1 I presume the solid opps would eliminate this post.

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Re: invisable columns

LiHigh — Tue, 04 Nov 2003 02:02:42 GMT

Have u tried using polygon wall to model the column?

Re: invisable columns

Anonymous — Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:40:13 GMT

I think your problem is with the way walls and columns intersect.

There is a fundamental problem withe the column tool. (I assume this is still true. I first noticed it in AC5.0 when the columns were first introduced and have mostly avoided it ever since.) When walls and columns intersect it is the COLUMN and not the wall that is cut to fit. Also, the column is cut out for its entire height so that, for example, a partition wall running through the middle of a tall structural column will cut a slot all the way to the top of the column. The only way I have found to get around this is to make sure the walls and columns don't overlap. Not always a good solution. Another approach is to use library parts for the columns and SEOs for the 3D intersection.

Hopefully in the future all element intersections will be handled with SEOs internally and these sort of glitches will go away.

Re: invisable columns

Jefferson — Mon, 17 Nov 2003 04:33:41 GMT

Hi Matthew,

Well it's god to know that it is sometimes the program and not pilot error. Can you say workaround?