topic Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10! in Modeling

AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:20:34 GMT

I write this post to express my deepest disappointment with AC11.

It is the buggiest version I have ever worked with! It has even more bugs than AC8!

Today I finally decided to go back to AC10!

Even the curved Custom profiles and Trace&Reference are not enough to make up for the poor release! I would gladly trade them for stability!

It is offending to the users to release such a raw and unstable product to the market. I suppose this is due to the 1-year-development-period for new versions. If so, this is a bad direction for Graphisoft.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:21:29 GMT

kliment wrote:
It has even more bugs than AC8!

...such as??? The one thing I have a really hard time with is the broken Grid Tool, all other known bugs I've found workaroundable. What (specifically) has made you turn back?

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rakela Raul — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:03:08 GMT

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=19479

maybe the above post killd him

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 20:35:01 GMT

kliment wrote:
It is the buggiest version I have ever worked with! It has even more bugs than AC8!

While there are still some issues with 11...people are actually getting work done with it, which is more than could be said for 8. With 8, it was wise to save your file before nearly every action since you never knew what would cause it to crash. If you have anything close to that with 11, then something is amiss with your installation I think...

Karl

PS Since I have had at least one offline discussion about it this week: To anyone reading who is using 8: a reminder that NOBODY should be using 8. Version 8.1 was a free upgrade to all 8 users and if you did not receive 8.1, contact your reseller for a free CD and download the final hotfix and library update.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rob — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 02:15:50 GMT

Today I finally decided to go back to AC10!

good for you!!

no, now seriously,

we are fairly happy with AC11. Apart from early hick-ups with the grid tool and some TW layouting everything seems to chug along rather nicely. I cannot see any reason for going back to AC10

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:21:49 GMT

kliment wrote:
I write this post to express my deepest disappointment with AC11.

It is the buggiest version I have ever worked with! It has even more bugs than AC8!

Today I finally decided to go back to AC10!

Even the curved Custom profiles and Trace&Reference are not enough to make up for the poor release! I would gladly trade them for stability!

It is offending to the users to release such a raw and unstable product to the market. I suppose this is due to the 1-year-development-period for new versions. If so, this is a bad direction for Graphisoft.

I totaly agree with u, this ver of archicad is not supose to be version, it should be update. . . soemthing like archicad 10 nnnn

If GS continue like this . . . i will jump from my blakony

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rob — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:33:53 GMT

I totaly agree with u, this ver of archicad is not supose to be version, it should be update. . . soemthing like archicad 10 nnnn

oh for God sake stop this whinging...look at the different software and the actual differences between its two consecutive versions. What are you expecting in a year time cycle?
Microsoft had spent 5 years to deliver a fairly ordinary upgrade called vista...

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rakela Raul — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:05:04 GMT

hey kliment, dont go back to 10...a new hotfix is about to come out and will probably fix your issues......i only have had one issue that upset me and it was with speed....but i dont remmeber when or if was my file or a hot fix but i cannot complaint anymore, not as quick as 9 but no terrible either...11 has a lot of hidden goodies that you will miss going back...i do agree with you on the yearly cycle....that i dont buy it..as a matter of fact i cancelled subscription....a year is too short for a our company, as soon as people start gett'g productive and confidence about the new version, the new version is out and 'kill the joy'...i would take it if as soon as i install the new version, no bugs, no issues with libraries, a zero issue with switching, i would understand it and take..but start testing again, 2 unproductive and mentally diminishing......the way the software industry works, you need to upgrade when the version has been out for at least a year and let other people do the testing...(out the office i love to waste my time play'g with a new version though )

edit: you are just upset cuz coudnt buy the vertical mouse !!!

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Pete — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:57:59 GMT

Raul, that's a direct hit! My sentiments exactly.

The few hundred dollars we saved by subscribing when upgrading to two seats of AC11 were nothing compared to the lost time troubleshooting and working around the bugs.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Thomas Holm — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:12:53 GMT

I don't understand the reasoning here. No one is forcing you to upgrade as soon as the new version CD arrives. You'll save the same amount if you delay installing the new versions for six months or so, until a few hotfixes are released. I won't install Leopard on the 26th of Ocober either - some time in February 08 will be OK I guess.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rakela Raul — Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:34:47 GMT

i dont understand my wifes' reasoning either ....."what a great price, lets buy it"...but we dont need it !!!! ..."who cares just buy it"

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:30:12 GMT

Like many on this forum, we have not had a smooth transition either.

Of greatest concern to me is that GS has moved to a yearly upgrade cycle but really has not put the framework in place for smooth transitions.
- We still have a very clumsy way of dealing with library parts between releases. Why they all get new names, which do not reliably 'path' between versions - which is a real problem.

This really is getting worse as time passes. The best advice in this forum is to leave a project in the version it was created in. In our experience that is absolutely true. But it means we now have files in versions 8 through 11 inclusive! Heaven help us when we inadvertently open one project in the wrong version - it can cost us DAYS in lost productivity! Even if you do update the file & all the parts it runs so slooowwly as to be unworkable! (most recently that was a 10 to 11 file!)
Then add in the complexity of add-ons....what a nightmare! GS tout one of AC's benefits is the availability of add-ons. These should be built in OR properly supported too, so they have a timely release with the main software.

Interestingly enough it is not a "new feature", but management, which may prove a fundamental part of ArchiCADs future.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rob — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:27:32 GMT

The best advice in this forum is to leave a project in the version it was created in.

I disagree with this (well, partly at least). I would keep anything that runs on AC+PM (so from AC9 downwards) as it is and migrate AC10 to AC11.
I have found third-party add-ons as a major disaster during migrating process. I try to refrain from using them as much as I can. Same with the customised markers. Our library has only necessary customised parts like a zone stamp, label and drawing titleblock. So I am not touching anything that can be addressed by built-in elements.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

stefan — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:07:43 GMT

While I did not experience the buggy behaviour, I agree on many parts:

-- a yearly update for a complex CAD/BIM program is too soon for anything but a one-man office

-- the reliance on Add-ons is forcing people not to upgrade. This is due to the fact that each new upgrade will make ALL add-ons incompatible. The problem: many add-ons are just not developed anymore, so they disappear with the version they were created for...

-- I don't like subscription schemes, but every company is doing it

-- And there should be a reliable approach to migrate libraries between versions. There are ways to go forward (e.g. from 10 to 11) but not the other way around.

I teached ArchiCAD last year (r10) and our classroom is still using r10, but students will be able to register for r11 only. I expect problems!

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:06:52 GMT

Finally migrated one of my current projects to AC10! What a pleasure to work without bugs and screen-flickering!

It took me half a day for a small project to reassign all the library parts from AC11 to A10, because there is not backward compatability, as Stefan mentioned before. When Doors and Windows change they do not remember their pens, door panels and even he position of the Dimension makers! Everything has to be started from scratch! Which means it is not possible to send your project to a colleague who is working on AC10! You have to make it dwg so he could see it right!

Thomas wrote:
I don't understand the reasoning here. No one is forcing you to upgrade as soon as the new version CD arrives.

I had to upgrade because I teach AC at the university. I even risked to make the above mentioned small project in AC11. Lucky me I did not start with the large one which I am finishing now!

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Markus Denzlinger — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:09:28 GMT

stefan wrote:
I teached ArchiCAD last year (r10) and our classroom is still using r10, but students will be able to register for r11 only. I expect problems!

The registration key also works with ARCHICAD 10.

Markus

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:19:25 GMT

Markus wrote:

The registration key also works with ARCHICAD 10.

Thank you, Markus! Just on time as I was planning to make a post asking this question.

Due to some misunderstanding with the IT support at the university we had AC10 installed there. So I teach AC10 to students and I was telling them the previous lecture not to install AC11.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Anonymous — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:22:33 GMT

I recently have been thinking of recommending my office commit to a particular version, and not upgrade ANYTHING for 8 years.

GS gets $500 US per seat per year, and after 8 years, we could simply buy whatever new version or better software is out there...

Why?

Because at some point, (maybe release 12) it will do enough for us to produce our work efficiently, and we will fine-tune and hone that given tool and equipment. Not to mention that we then need to buy new computers every 3 years to keep up with the increase CPU requirements. The old ones end up in landfills, which turns my stomach.

The last 3 years, each spring has meant lost work while we change systems, and migrate versions. While there is always some benefit, there is also an associated cost.

Software programs are like musical instruments, the more you practice, the better you get. But imagine what it would be like if someone changed the fingering on the clarinet every year...

just my two cents.

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Rakela Raul — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:29:53 GMT

Software programs are like musical instruments, the more you practice, the better you get. But imagine what it would be like if someone changed the fingering on the clarinet every year...

excelent !!

Re: AC11 is full with bugs - going back to 10!

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:59:07 GMT

Nathan wrote:
I recently have been thinking of recommending my office commit to a particular version, and not upgrade ANYTHING for 8 years.

GS gets $500 US per seat per year, and after 8 years, we could simply buy whatever new version or better software is out there...

8 years seems like too much for me.
Maybe 2 or 3 years, but 8???