topic Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis in Modeling

Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis R.

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:27:47 GMT

I am very confused, with my hardware and sotware...
What can we expect from AC 10?
Supergraphicpower over Artlantis R? (Shall I wait to buy something?)
New Layoutsystem?
What happen with Light work (it has disapointed me...very difficult tu use... but strong lendering....in the future will be better?)
No hardwareproblem with Longhorn?

Please give some tipps!!!

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

gpowless — Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:03:31 GMT

I think that GS should go out on a limb and trust us a little biit more. Most of us will evntually upgrade, anyway. That isn't the problem.

If we knew which direction GS was going with Archicad10, we could determine if we needed to upgrade other tools, or have some idea that they will be incorporated in the new release. That has always been the problem with waiting to that last minute. If I need to upgrade hardware, operating systems , or other add-ons, how can I make an informed decision without first knowing if the reason for doing it is valid? I mean Archicad is my business tool, like a hammer is to a carpenter. I can still use the old hammer as slow as it is, but if there is a speed hammer on the horizon, and I need a new hammer anyways how do I know when to buy?

I hope you get my drift.....

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:27:16 GMT

Absolutly.
Just userfriendly software can win in the future.
GS must have openmind, first of all for the new version.
Rendering skill from AC or Artlantis...it makes me slowly angry.
To buy Artlantis can be ok.
But I must learn very hard for Light work (very suddenly since AC9).
Additionally shall I learn Artlantis R. as profi.?
What will come in AC10?
Must I learn Light Works R.?
GS must show enough examples from AC-Light works.
GS shows permanantly just examples from other rendering programms...

Where shall I take my good old hammer?

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:48:04 GMT

samsung wrote:
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But I must learn very hard for Light work (very suddenly since AC9).
Where shall I take my good old hammer?

trade in that old hammer for Dwight's book. Your LightWorks frustrations will be history.

seriously,

Wally

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

stefan — Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:50:00 GMT

Information on new versions is usually confidential... Little chance to get full answers about ArchiCAD 10 here.

Rendering is not the core intent of ArchiCAD. The best renderings IMHO are still being made in external animation software: 3ds max, Maya, Lightwave, Cinema4D, XSI... but the ArchiCAD engine (incl. Lightworks) is good for day-to-day work. When you need to deliver cutting edge, look for a cutting edge tool.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:08:58 GMT

the only sure answer is that we will update oure hardware for longhorn as we did with all micro$$oft OS I hope they wont need 1gig ram and 128mb cg card as recomended hardware only for the os

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

stefan — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:47:27 GMT

syber wrote:
the only sure answer is that we will update oure hardware for longhorn as we did with all micro$$oft OS I hope they wont need 1gig ram and 128mb cg card as recomended hardware only for the os

You can probably assume that the OS is only really happy with a new PC and these specs (1 GB RAM and 128MB on the graphics card) are quite common today. I don't expect to try Longhorn on my home machine (5 year old P3 600 MHz with 256MB RAM, which was a Workstation back then).

And as always, rendering requires as much CPU as possible.

Microsoft will probably allow to disable a part of the display settings, so an older PC can run Longhorn, but not in it's full glassy "glory".

Personally, I'm more concerned with the possible conflicts between a full-3D hardware-accelerated interface in Direct3D that might prevent or hinder or limit a 3D or CAD-application full access to the same graphics adapter, but using Hardware-accelerated OpenGL. This is what conserns many professional CAD-users.
I read an interview with someone from ATI that mentioned the possibility to tackle such situations, provided Microsoft gave full API access to enable this, which wasn't at that time. Things might improve, though.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 01:42:48 GMT

I have Longhorn installed (beta testing) but havent tried AC9 on it (yet). Have to get past 7400sf commercial building Im doing. then I will have a 'little' breathing room to play beta-tester. If any of you haven't seen it yet... heres a little peek:

http://www.only4gurus.com/v3/longhorn.asp for list of screenshots

looks pretty... Mac-ISH:
http://www.only4gurus.com/longhorn/pages/vista5270_089.asp

Anyway I hear its slated for fall?

Also, I have to agree it would be "nice" to have a small "peek" at what might be coming and a rough idea of when? For example:
Is the internal rendering engine going to be upgraded?
-> Why #1? So we can make a decision to shell out CASH for additional rendering firepower.
-> Why? #2? So we can know when to stop giving our kids allowance so we can afford it... heh heh...

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Dwight — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:18:30 GMT

The internal rendering engine will not be upgraded due to the need for legacy support.

In ArchiCAD 9 the LightWorks rendering engine was added and is adequate for most tasks.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

TomWaltz — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:24:18 GMT

Dwight wrote:
In ArchiCAD 9 the LightWorks rendering engine was added and is adequate for most tasks.

You're getting soft in your old age, Dwight. You just called Lightworks "adequate"!!

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Dwight — Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:32:19 GMT

See "LightWorks in ArchiCAD"

Page 9:

What You Can Expect for Image Quality:

"… as good as possible 'under the circumstances.'"

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:18:49 GMT

Dwight wrote:
See "LightWorks in ArchiCAD"

Page 9:

What You Can Expect for Image Quality:

"… as good as possible 'under the circumstances.'"

This is why Dwight's books (seminars, etc.) are so good. They are about what is actually possible to accomplish in a realistic amount of time within the limits of the available tools.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:10:18 GMT

The question is:

Do you want to make architecture or do you want to be a 3d rendering pro????....

I never understand why people who's job is doing architecture think that they can be for instance a pro rendering designer...

If you bought ArchiCAD to be architect...GREAT.....you bought the right tool......BUT you want to make renderings????? real renderings?? .....it means that you can't be architect anymore because these kind of job is for professionals of that area....not a project maker...

Don't ask for better rendering tools in ArchiCAD...These tools already exists for years in especif softwares..

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

stefan — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:09:01 GMT

I disagree here. When you are an architect, you have the right to make the renderings yourself. You are not competing here with fulltime visualization artists: you are promoting your own design. LightWorks is precisely at the right place: integrated and powerfull enough.

I would be glad with added radiosity and more direct control over materials in a modeless dialog instead of opening several dialogs, closing them, rendering, reopening them again etc...

And if you want to go the extra mile, you can outsource it or buy a professional application that does it better (at the cost of conversion).

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 23:11:02 GMT

stefan wrote:
I disagree here. When you are an architect, you have the right to make the renderings yourself. You are not competing here with fulltime visualization artists:

I would be glad with added radiosity and more direct control over materials in a modeless dialog instead of opening several dialogs, closing them, rendering, reopening them again etc...

I just finished a big project for the first time in AC (till now I did autocad/3d max combination). AC is a wonderful program that speeds up drawing like doors and windows, sections, elevation... Only thing I did in Autocad was site plans.

I missed radiosity in renderings. Renderings are fast but the price is 2nd class visualization. When finished with drawing, for visualization with very high resolution photos I usually set up all cameras and views for rendering and leave computer over night to do the job, so a slow but quality radiosity option would be very usefull for me so I could present my work much better.

One part of architects job is presentation. We have to show the building before it is finished and too late for modifications, so, better renderings - better presentation.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:27:40 GMT

i need a program to create the light instalation to a bildin can you help me ples. Darckman@yahoo.com

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Dwight — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 11:31:58 GMT

cuciurean wrote:
i need a program to create the light instalation to a bildin can you help me ples.

Okay.

Neither Lighworks nor Artlantis produce a technically accurate light scheme for a building where lamp engineering values can be emulated.

LightWorks requires a photographer's approach to lighting space, where a few general lights provide strong ambience and soft shadows.

Artlantis can actually render dozens of light sources efficiently, but adjusting them proves time consuming.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

stefan — Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:53:51 GMT

cuciurean wrote:
i need a program to create the light instalation to a bildin can you help me ples. Darckman@yahoo.com

Then you should take a look at Physically correct renderers with support for falsecolor images:
Radiance http://radsite.lbl.gov/radiance/ (free and open source)
Autodesk VIZ/3ds max http://www.autodesk.com/viz
Integra Inspirer http://www.integra.co.jp/
Autodesk Lightscape (not available anymore)
Relux Professional http://www.relux.biz/ (free)

etc...

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:45:17 GMT

Informations I'm about to write are not confirmed. I found them on polish archicad forum and they're just some first impresions from beta version of AC 10. Like below:

- Plotmaker will be finally soak into ArchiCAD, you'll be able to use it via project navigator, also you can assign different pen sets to different layouts
- coordinates and control bars will be convert to a kind of pet palette which follow cursor, so you'll have it always at hand
- there will be "mesuring tape" tool for easy mesure of distance between any two points
- menu options were reorganized, for example "display options" has its own preview window so you can see how your configuration will affect the plan
- you can finally do sloped walls and posts without gdl script, also bottom and top thickness of a wall can be different
- fills can use gradients now (linear or radial)
- fills have their own X Y axis and can be resized independently (you can change proportion of a pattern) and what is more - bend them
- "see what you're about to select" function, cursor recognize what is under it in 2D and 3D
- one navigation orbit in 3D!! shift+mouse for navigation instead of previous 3D navigation palette
- Lightworks environment seems not to have any major improvements
The same lousy material preview window, no radiosity.

Looks like they focused on some long-time-needed improvements more than on making revolutionary release.

Re: Longhorn and Archi CAD 10 and Light works and Artlantis

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:26:04 GMT

and if true it sounds as if AC is following Revit...