topic Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet? in Modeling

Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:25:44 GMT

Whenever I "save a view and place on layout" the view is placed litterally a mile away from where the sheet is. I have to zoom all, select everything, find the view then move it 5,000 feet back to where the sheet is.

Is this a known issue, or am I doing something wrong?

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Djordje — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:54:47 GMT

Jeffe' wrote:
Whenever I "save a view and place on layout" the view is placed litterally a mile away from where the sheet is. I have to zoom all, select everything, find the view then move it 5,000 feet back to where the sheet is.

Is this a known issue, or am I doing something wrong?

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Make sure that the layout you want to place the view on is current.

Then, a square will appear; it is a placeholder, whose center is the center of the view. Snap it to the center of the sheet - or wherever you want it - and that's it.

Now, if your view is defined miles off the origin, or if your model is miles off the origin, that might be the problem? Any merged or XReffed DWG?

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

James Murray — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:57:37 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Snap it...

That's nice...Too bad there's no snapping for the drag-view-from-Navigator method.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:15:42 GMT

James wrote:
Djordje wrote:
Snap it...
That's nice...Too bad there's no snapping for the drag-view-from-Navigator method.

Yeah. It really bugged me when I discovered that. Not a big thing, but it doubles a small effort and is certainly inelegant.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

James Murray — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:31:39 GMT

Matthew wrote:
Not a big thing, but it doubles a small effort and is certainly inelegant.

Where you notice it is in the detail sheets. If you drag multiple views onto a gridded sheet, they will fall into the cells automatically. Assuming you use an object in the detail window for the grid cell extents (which, IMO, you must), this is pretty slick.

But it doesn't work when you drag a single view! If the snaps worked, I might not miss it...

Altogether it puts us, again, right at 80%.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:49:00 GMT

Make sure that the layout you want to place the view on is current.

Yep - do that.

Then, a square will appear; it is a placeholder, whose center is the center of the view. Snap it to the center of the sheet - or wherever you want it - and that's it.

Yep - do that, too. Then when the drawing vew is actually placed, it puts it several thousand feet away from the sheet.

Now, if your view is defined miles off the origin, or if your model is miles off the origin, that might be the problem?

This might be it. How do you know where the origin is? Can you re-define it? Or do you have to move the entire model closer to it?

Any merged or XReffed DWG?

Nope - single pln created by someone else - way back in ver 8, though. Could 10 screw up the origin point?

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

David Maudlin — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:25:16 GMT

Jeffe' wrote:

Now, if your view is defined miles off the origin, or if your model is miles off the origin, that might be the problem?

This might be it. How do you know where the origin is? Can you re-define it? Or do you have to move the entire model closer to it?

Jeffe:

You need to move the model to the project origin. This can be done in one step by using the heavy marquee (works through all stories) surrounding the entire model to drag it to the project origin.

David

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

James Murray — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:50:46 GMT

David wrote:
heavy marquee

Don't forget: All layers showing and unlocked.

How do you know where the origin is? Can you re-define it?

To restore the user origin to the project origin, double click the origin button on the Coordinate Box or toolbar. Zoom way out and you'll see it.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Rod Jurich — Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:56:58 GMT

James wrote:
/.......... Zoom way out and you'll see it.

Or, as I've found with the odd DWG where the origin is so far away. I set the origin from the coordinate box then using the line tool, draw a line with x,y set to zero and drag the rubber band into view. Then select all and drag to where you want the model placed.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Anonymous — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:49:17 GMT

Cool, thanks all.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 03:32:58 GMT

hi.. i move all my drawing into the Project Origin, then update each view and then put them in the layout but... is far faaaar away again ... why?
thxs for your help

pd.
when i use the Archicad Template, there's no problem

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Link — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:58:48 GMT

Rod wrote:
James wrote:
/.......... Zoom way out and you'll see it.
Or, as I've found with the odd DWG where the origin is so far away. I set the origin from the coordinate box then using the line tool, draw a line with x,y set to zero and drag the rubber band into view. Then select all and drag to where you want the model placed.

You know you can just uncheck the delta signs in the coordinate box to change them to absolute and just enter 0,0 right?

Maybe you're not using the Co-ordinate box?...

For Jeffe' & arki-beto I'd recommend checking the anchor settings of the drawings, especially after everything they've been through. Uncheck 'Use Drawing's internal origin as anchor and just select the center anchor method and snap it to the middle of the layout.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Rod Jurich — Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:13:18 GMT

Link wrote:
Rod wrote:
James wrote:
/.......... Zoom way out and you'll see it.
Or, as I've found with the odd DWG where the origin is so far away. I set the origin from the coordinate box then using the line tool, draw a line with x,y set to zero and drag the rubber band into view. Then select all and drag to where you want the model placed.
You know you can just uncheck the delta signs in the coordinate box to change them to absolute and just enter 0,0 right?

Not sure what you mean, do you want to expand a little.

Link wrote:
Maybe you're not using the Co-ordinate box?...

Always on, Link.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Link — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 02:36:47 GMT

Rod wrote:

Not sure what you mean, do you want to expand a little.

Link wrote:
Maybe you're not using the Co-ordinate box?...
Always on, Link.

Well I'm glad it's always on, because the Tracker is by no means a replacement for it IMHO. But the Tracker does play a part in it...

Firstly, let's say the Tracker is not being used at all: If the delta sign next to any of the coordinates is indented, relative input is active. If the delta sign is unindented, absolute input is active. So to drag anything back to project zero, no matter how far away it is, all you need to do is unindent the delta sign next to XY, then initiate the drag by clicking the drag reference point, and then type X0Y0 enter. (Then indent the delta sign again to set it back to relative).

Secondly, let's say the Tracker is being used: You will need to check 'Show X-Y Coordinates relative to User origin in Tracker' in the Work Environment. Then use the first method, again making sure the absolute method is used, and since it is set relative to the User Origin, making sure it is at the Project Origin (by double clicking the User Origin button).

Whenever I hear someone drawing lines for anything apart from drawing lines, it sets my alarm bells ringing!

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Views placed in layout a mile away from sheet?

Rod Jurich — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:45:32 GMT

Link wrote:
Well I'm glad it's always on, because the Tracker is by no means a replacement for it IMHO. But the Tracker does play a part in it.../.......................

Rarely, if ever, use the tracker, call me old school if you like.

Link wrote:
..Whenever I hear someone drawing lines for anything apart from drawing lines, it sets my alarm bells ringing!

Thanks Link, quite aware how the coordinate box works with regard to absolute/relative.
And totally agree with your alarm bells comment. In fact I have no layers assigned for anything to do with lines/arcs etc!!
The sole purpose for my line is to get an idea how far the merged DWG etc is in relation to the project origin.
I've had files merged with the the project origin kilometers away.