topic Re: Back referencing on detail markers.... in Modeling

Back referencing on detail markers....

fhedberg — Sun, 07 May 2006 08:01:15 GMT

I've had a look through the more detailed pdf doc (below) on ArchiCAD 10's new features and I can't find anything regarding back referencing on detail markers or sections.....does anyone know (maybe a beta tester) if this has been implemented in the new version????

http://www.designintegrations.com/files/ArchiCAD10/newfeatures10.pdf

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Anonymous — Sun, 07 May 2006 14:27:38 GMT

What do you mean by back referencing?

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Andy Thomson — Sun, 07 May 2006 20:32:12 GMT

I know what you mean - tracking both ways from the detail in a layout (to reference back to its source view in the papertrail).

This has not been addressed - it is extremely painful to set this up - possible - but painful, we tried and gave up, it is faster to append the refs manually than to set up for automatic tracking...

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

fhedberg — Sun, 07 May 2006 21:15:39 GMT

you've got it andyro...

Bugger.......

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Anonymous — Mon, 08 May 2006 07:04:15 GMT

andyro wrote:
I know what you mean - tracking both ways from the detail in a layout (to reference back to its source view in the papertrail).

This has not been addressed - it is extremely painful to set this up - possible - but painful, we tried and gave up, it is faster to append the refs manually than to set up for automatic tracking...

I should've guessed. I've heard of the practice but haven't worked on anything that called for it. I'm sure if I did need to do it I would sure want it to be automatic. How common is the need for this? It seems to be rare to non-existent in US practice.

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

fhedberg — Mon, 08 May 2006 08:23:03 GMT

Matthew wrote:
How common is the need for this? It seems to be rare to non-existent in US practice.

Unfortunately quite common at our practice and a big pain in the.....neck and yes i've been hoping for this to get automated for quite a while.

thnx for your response guys

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 08 May 2006 16:34:40 GMT

I know it has been a requirement of the US Corps of Engineers for quite a while -- and our office has recently adopted it as a standard (as requested by those that do the majority of our Construction Administration) -- LJY.

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Anonymous — Mon, 08 May 2006 20:59:34 GMT

could those new parametric drawing titles possibly handle this?

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Anonymous — Mon, 08 May 2006 21:10:16 GMT

JNTDigital wrote:
could those new parametric drawing titles possibly handle this?

Possibly, I'll try to find some time to look into it (though I'm not supposed to say anything until 10 ships). I suspect that it will take a little more tinkering on GS' part (some new globals) before it will be possible though.

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

TomWaltz — Mon, 08 May 2006 21:13:09 GMT

JNTDigital wrote:
could those new parametric drawing titles possibly handle this?

In theory they could, but they do not. The parametric drawing titles are just Title Types with a face lift added to object capabilities.

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

TomWaltz — Mon, 08 May 2006 21:14:52 GMT

Matthew wrote:
JNTDigital wrote:
could those new parametric drawing titles possibly handle this?
Possibly, I'll try to find some time to look into it (though I'm not supposed to say anything until 10 ships). I suspect that it will take a little more tinkering on GS' part (some new globals) before it will be possible though.

It's OK, Matthew, we got the go-ahead.

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Andy Thomson — Tue, 09 May 2006 13:27:30 GMT

It isn't standard practice anywhere I have worked, but came as an urgent request from our most senior staff, who said tracking the occurrence of details to where they occur in the building and source sections etc. would be extremely useful.

The only caveat is that often one detail will point to multiple occurences (in section for example), but if it is typical, and the source detail references all carry the same number+ page reference, that shouldn't matter (which source detail or 'viewpoint+view' the bubble points backwards to)

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 09 May 2006 15:23:09 GMT

VOTE!

archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=7138&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Aussie John — Tue, 09 May 2006 22:58:26 GMT

Its the customary way in Australia and I used it in England but I cant remember if I introduced the concept or it was there already.
Its very useful.
If someone wants to start a Poll I'll vote but sounds like it may be a wasted gesture as it seems our American brethren (& sisters) dont use this system

Re: Back referencing on detail markers....

Anonymous — Wed, 10 May 2006 03:10:54 GMT

*with tongue firmly in cheek* This might be a case where the Kiwi's back up the Aussies, just like you did for us with our Rugby World Cup 2011 bid. Oh, hang on, no you didn't. *tongue removed*

Yes, back referencing is essential.