topic Re: One line visible on all stories...how? in Modeling

One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:01:39 GMT

well...?

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

__archiben — Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:01:44 GMT

make it an object?

that's about the best option (unfortunately) if you want to change something once and have it reflect automatically everywhere else...

...until a degree of uniformity is introduced into the tools. (it's in the wishlist somewhere)

if you have a complex line drawing you want to show across all stories, save it as a dwg and x-ref (or module if you prefer that route )

~/archiben

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Djordje — Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:12:12 GMT

mathome wrote:
well...?

Why?

If what Ben guesses is true (you want a complex line drawing visible on all stories) save it as an object (better than XReffing) and show on all stories.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

__archiben — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:17:04 GMT

Djordje wrote:
If what Ben guesses is true (you want a complex line drawing visible on all stories) save it as an object (better than XReffing) and show on all stories.

. . . . unless you want/need to snap to the lines, measure from them, dimension to them . . . and then you're going to have to hotspot the hell out of the object 2D data!

a note about dimensioning to x-refs: BE CAREFUL. x-refs are merged into the project rather then truly referenced. whenever they are updated the information is replaced: associative dimensioning to any of the original elements will be lost.

~/archiben

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:55:24 GMT

I want a 2D reference grid system of lines and dimensions to show on all stories. I can, as you suggested Djordje, make an object, but then I loose most of the snap possibilities. And As you mention, Ben, I can add hotspots but I loose the possibility to snap/trim/extend to lines.
I guess I would like a somewhat extended function of the section tool...

I'll go for copying the grid system on every story for now.

Mats

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

__archiben — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:28:06 GMT

mats

we do use dwg's and x-ref them for the grid systems.

in this way we can also use the same grid file to exchange with autocad consultants for them to x-ref into their drawings.

this is a process that then works both ways: if a consultant then has to modify the grid as a consequence of their design, they send the revised grid file back (to everyone) and we simply reload it to pick up the changes.

works well IMHO.

~/archiben

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:37:54 GMT

One workaround for the grid would be to make a special grid story and make it the ghost story to all the others. The drawback of course is that the grid is then unavailable when the ghost story is used for another purpose.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Djordje — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:08:09 GMT

mathome wrote:
I want a 2D reference grid system of lines and dimensions to show on all stories. I can, as you suggested Djordje, make an object, but then I loose most of the snap possibilities. And As you mention, Ben, I can add hotspots but I loose the possibility to snap/trim/extend to lines.
I guess I would like a somewhat extended function of the section tool...

I'll go for copying the grid system on every story for now.

Mats

There is already a Structural grid layer anyway So use it - as you need it for reference, lock that layer in all your layer combos, after you paste the grid on all the stories. If you use the Structural grid tool, it will do it for you.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

SeaGeoff — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:08:28 GMT

Another method is to use PM. Create a view containing only the grids, dimens, etc. It could be a layer combo from the floor plan, or an independent set of objects from a detail window. Once in PM the drawing can be placed repeatedly. Use some hot spots for alignment. Nice in that it can be updated in a single place. Works well for legends and general notes too.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

__archiben — Tue, 09 Mar 2004 22:43:54 GMT

Djordje wrote:
There is already a Structural grid layer anyway So use it - as you need it for reference, lock that layer in all your layer combos, after you paste the grid on all the stories. If you use the Structural grid tool, it will do it for you.

i still think that x-ref'ing is your best bet here!

1. the structural grid tool is not flexible enough for even the simplest 'non-standard' grid.
2. pasting your grid onto all stories means that if you have a change on one floor you are into manually editing all of the other floors.
3. an x-ref'd DWG file means that you can easily share your grid with consultants and YOU define the 0,0 origin from them to work.
4. the x-ref needs to be placed as many times as you have stories, but updated only ONCE.
5. when graphisoft sort out true x-ref management you will not be able to edit the grid from within your project file, thus protecting the most essential setting out from accidental editing.
6. archiCAD 8.1 has no problem opening up the file as a DWG for editing and replacing the file.

geoff - i'm not sure that i understand your plotmaker idea: to get the grid into plotmaker and be able to use it in archiCAD as a reference, it needs to be placed IN archiCAD anyway? i do agree that once there it is ideal for using as a location key in plotmaker (when you have to split sheets over a large floor plan) by saving a viewset of the grid at a scale of 1:2000 or something . . .

~/archiben

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:00:44 GMT

What about putting the grids in a MOD file and referenceing it on each floor? We have tried this and it seems to work well.

We had trouble with a GDL version because the dimensions would either move to a strange location or disappear completely if we ever had to update the GDL.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Ralph Wessel — Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:28:49 GMT

mathome wrote:
I want a 2D reference grid system of lines and dimensions to show on all stories.

I'm with the others who suggested hotlinks/x-refs, but there is another option. You can draw your grid lines on just one storey (perhaps a dummy one) with beams of 0 thickness and depth, and ask for them to show on all stories. On every storey they can be:

- Seen
- Snapped to (including intersections)
- Dimensioned to (associative or otherwise)

As an interesting side-effect, they can be seen and snapped to in 3D too. You can prevent accidental changes by locking them (or the layer). The annotation can be done with GDL objects, and likewise shown on all stories (you don't need to snap to them). The one big down-side is poor control over linestyle (it's a global setting).

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:46:37 GMT

Ralph wrote:
mathome wrote:
I want a 2D reference grid system of lines and dimensions to show on all stories.
I'm with the others who suggested hotlinks/x-refs, but there is another option. You can draw your grid lines on just one storey (perhaps a dummy one) with beams of 0 thickness and depth, and ask for them to show on all stories. On every storey they can be:
- Seen
- Snapped to (including intersections)
- Dimensioned to (associative or otherwise)
As an interesting side-effect, they can be seen and snapped to in 3D too. You can prevent accidental changes by locking them (or the layer). The annotation can be done with GDL objects, and likewise shown on all stories (you don't need to snap to them). The one big down-side is poor control over linestyle (it's a global setting).

Smart! I'll try this one. It's neat to show the grid in 3D with 3D text.
Thanx Ralph.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 03:51:37 GMT

I found this post because I'm wanting to show my title boundary on all storeys, without duplicating the linework for each storey. I like the idea of using beams to make lines visible on all stories, but found one catch is that zero width and height caused error messages. I also suspect the layer ranking will need to be different from all other layers, to avoid the beams accidentally interacting with 'real' building elements.
Of course, it's still a workaround - why not just make it so that lines can be marked as "make visible on all stories" ?

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Barry Kelly — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 05:09:43 GMT

Why not put your title boundaries on a layout page?
Putting title blocks and borders in a layout master is the best place for them.

Then you can show any layout page as a Trace Reference if you need to know the extents of your page for modelling/annotating purposes.

Barry.

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

David Maudlin — Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:08:24 GMT

dv_chris wrote:
why not just make it so that lines can be marked as "make visible on all stories" ?

While I agree with Barry that title boundaries belong on Layout sheets, the Morph Tool can be used to create lines (for example a property line) that will appear on all stories. It is still a 3D element, so would need to be hidden in 3D views.

David

Re: One line visible on all stories...how?

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 13:48:44 GMT

To update this thread. To create a site boundary line that will appear on all stories and in 3D images, I have created a morph using the polygonal geometry method. In 'morph settings panel' Set FLOOR PLAN DISPLAY show on stories to 'All stories'. Set colour and line type using the OUTLINES Uncut line.