topic Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now in Modeling

ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Greg Kmethy — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:02:14 GMT

ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now. Please check out:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/IntelMac/
You can find details about the product in the Questions and Answers section:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/IntelMac/Questions/

This version comes on a separate CD - please get in touch with your local Archicad reseller

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

KenMcN — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:25:24 GMT

Unfortunately it seems that the V10 Intel Wibu driver does not support V9. In other words, if you want to use the 'proper' V10 on a Mactel you cannot also run V9. You need to stick with the PPC flavour of both versions (which GS does not support as it relies on Rosetta ).

Given that the recommended strategy seems to be to finish off jobs in the version you start them in, this is clearly going to be an issue for most people that buy one of the new Macs and have been using Archicad for some time.

I don't expect GS to produce a universal binary for v9, but I do expect to be able to use both V9 and the current release of V10 on the Intel machines.

Graphisoft, please try to get this fixed asap!

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:33:08 GMT

KenMcN wrote:
Graphisoft, please try to get this fixed asap!

i'm not sure who's 'fault' it is (GS or WIBU?) . . . but there was a WIBU driver that could be downloaded from WIBU's website (5.10.500 maybe? i forget) that will let you fire up both AC9 and 10. i think that this particular WIBU driver is a PPC version, so the start-up time for AC is slightly slower than when using a native intel WIBU driver . . . but i recall it seemed to work . . .

HTH
~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

KenMcN — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:55:54 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
I'm not sure who's 'fault' it is (GS or WIBU?) . . . but there was a WIBU driver that could be downloaded from WIBU's website (5.10.500 maybe? i forget) that will let you fire up both AC9 and 10. i think that this particular WIBU driver is a PPC version, so the start-up time for AC is slightly slower than when using a native intel WIBU driver . . . but i recall it seemed to work . . .

Ben
I agree it is probably Wibu's fault, I just want GS to persuade them to fix it...

Did the driver you mention work with the Intel V10 or just the PPC? I can live with a longer startup, I just want the performance gains that the Intel processor should give me. I can try it tomorrow when I get back to the office.

Thanks for your help.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:03:10 GMT

KenMcN wrote:
Did the driver you mention work with the Intel V10 or just the PPC?

it launched both. this was back after the first intel beta was made public - b16 in think. i haven't tried with any of the later versions: i'm exclusively in 10 now . . .

here's the link:

http://wibu.com/download_user.php

try the "up to 10.2.x - incl. classic installer" one . . .

hope it still works.

~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

KenMcN — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:16:19 GMT

No luck I'm afraid.

I've tried various drivers from both the Wibu and Graphisoft sites and can still only run either the Intel V10 or PPC v9/10 - not Intel v10 & PPC v9.

Unfortunately, unless I'm mistaken, it looks like we will not be able to use 10 natively on any new machines while we still have projects on 9.

As we have 20 Archicad licences and jobs at varying stages of development this is likely to be a significant problem for some time to come unless Graphisoft/Wibu solve it by releasing a driver that can support v9 under rosetta.

Thanks anyway for your efforts Ben, much appreciated.
If anyone else can tell me they are using Intel v10 & PPC v9 I'd love to hear how you have managed it.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Rafal SLEK — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:20:37 GMT

BTW:
after first tests - AC on Mactel is working faster in 2D than on WinXP on the same machine (Macbook Pro). Nice!

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:15:54 GMT

KenMcN wrote:
No luck I'm afraid.

sorry about that ken. i've just dipped back into the beta forum and re-read the discussion we had about it there . . . it was definitely the v5.0 "up to OSX 10.2" drivers that allowed me to launch both. it also seems we should be able to launch intel/archicad 10 and PPC/archicad 9 with the latest driver. (but never intel/archicad 10 and PPC/archicad 10 from the same driver).

i'm following it up . . .

Rafal wrote:
... after first tests - AC on Mactel is working faster in 2D than on WinXP on the same machine (Macbook Pro). Nice!

isn't it?! i'm finding some people still being sceptical as to how good it is rather than actually acknowledge it as such!

~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

KenMcN — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:46:03 GMT

~/archiben wrote:
. . . it was definitely the v5.0 "up to OSX 10.2" drivers that allowed me to launch both

That's one of the drivers I haven't tried (didn't think about going back that far). I'll try again tomorrow if I get a chance.
Thanks again.
Kenny

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

KenMcN — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:04:18 GMT

Ben
I've just tried the driver you mentioned (even followed all the instructions!) but unfortunately it didn't work.
Here's hoping GS/Wibu can find a solution to this asap.
Kenny

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Greg Kmethy — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:08:35 GMT

The current WIBU driver can't handle a native AC 10 and a rosetta AC 9 simultaneously. WIBU promised to fix this - hopefully it won't take more than a few weeks.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:20:38 GMT

gkmethy wrote:
The current WIBU driver can't handle a native AC 10 and a rosetta AC 9 simultaneously. WIBU promised to fix this - hopefully it won't take more than a few weeks.

thanks greg. will you be letting us know when the fixed WIBU driver is available?

cheers
ben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Greg Kmethy — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 06:52:41 GMT

I'll try to remember.
We will post it to: http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/downloads/WIBU.html
So check it once in a while.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:36:59 GMT

Hi,
Is there a new set of "MacTel Goodies" or the Release Candidate version works & is current with the final Release.
Thanks,
Joseph

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:03:24 GMT

Joseph wrote:
Hi,
Is there a new set of "MacTel Goodies" or the Release Candidate version works & is current with the final Release.

if you use your help menu to go to the goodies page you will see a new category has been added for the mactel release. i don't know whether or not they are different from the mactel goodies bundled with the release candidate, but they are only small to download and didn't take long to replace . . .

~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Anonymous — Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:44:09 GMT

Thanks as usual Ben,
Joseph

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Greg Kmethy — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:08:36 GMT

It's recommended to download the "final" goodies. We are recompiling goodies with every new build that we release, and those are the ones that are tested with the program.

Once you have installed those goodies, you don't have to worry about them anymore. Any further Hotfixes will update the installed goodies too.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

__archiben — Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:47:48 GMT

gkmethy wrote:
Once you have installed those goodies, you don't have to worry about them anymore. Any further Hotfixes will update the installed goodies too.

really? what about the 'grid tool' and the 'polycount' add-ons in the latest hotfix?

~/archiben

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Anonymous — Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:49:07 GMT

I've searched the forum and read all the links, and can't find the answer to what seems an obvious question: What is the speed difference for AC 10 for the Intel Mac on a Macbook versus the Macbook Pro?

I'm sure it's faster, but how much faster? My reseller said he doesn't know and to ask here.

thanks

Re: ArchiCAD 10 for Intel Mac is out now

Anonymous — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:11:42 GMT

John wrote:
I've searched the forum and read all the links, and can't find the answer to what seems an obvious question: What is the speed difference for AC 10 for the Intel Mac on a Macbook versus the Macbook Pro?

I'm sure it's faster, but how much faster? My reseller said he doesn't know and to ask here.

thanks

I don't know if anyone has had the chance to do a direct test. The MacBook Pro is one very fast computer. It beats Pentium D workstations from what I can see and runs rings around Pentium M laptops. The main difference between the MacBook and the Pro is the video but I don't know how much of an effect this would have on day to day work. I would say that a reasonable assumption is that if it is to be your primary computer you should go with the Pro. Otherwise the plain MacBook would probably do the trick.