topic Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10? in Modeling

Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:57:01 GMT

Hi Folks,

For those of you who already use AC11 in a productive environment, where is the question...

Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:36:13 GMT

I think so. I've got just one crash up to now (have final for 2 weeks), but it has something to do with printing to our Fiery RIP with duplex communications enabled. I think it's a glitch in the interaction between the printer driver and parts of OSX like Carbon and Rosetta on the Macintel. It is repeatable, but I've had like issues in MSWord, so I can't blame AC. And I've lost no data, the Autosaver works.

Otherwise, I think you'll be happy with AC11. Lots of small improvements that I find now and then, beside the "big" announcements. Of course, I still want more 😉

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

David Maudlin — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:22:04 GMT

Braza:

I have been using 11 for months (beta and now final release) for my professional work and it has the same stability as 10. Since version 8 Graphisoft has done a good job of releasing stable beta versions, so the final release is very reliable.

HTH

David

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Rob — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:56:24 GMT

personally I reckon it was the most stable release in alpha/beta stages so I suppose it has a fairly solid core.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

TomWaltz — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:52:07 GMT

It's got a few bugs in it, but I have yet to have it crash on me (though I'm not deploying it office-wide until next week)

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:17:43 GMT

Running very similar to V.10... Slower...

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:05:06 GMT

Slower? Oh no......

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

__archiben — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:48:11 GMT

much slower for me.

if i open an existing file it's painful. new files are slightly nippier, but AC10 is still way snappier than 11.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:55:26 GMT

This is a bit strange. While I have had some slowdowns in 11 they seem to be related mainly to referencing complex building elevations. I haven't had the chance to do much real work on it since my clients are just beginning to upgrade, but for me opening files is much faster in AC11. It's hard for me to judge though because my hard drive was close to maxed out until I did some aggressive cleanup recently.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:04:29 GMT

Yeah, I am dissapointed. I was hoping that some of the slowdown in AC10 would have been dealt with but AC11 feels slower in 2d and 3d for me. I have yet to run them side by side but definately not faster than AC10 and way slower than 9 as far as clicking and dragging lag...

It starts up fast enough for me though.

Re: Is AC11 stable enough to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:59:25 GMT

It seems like AC11 is stable enough not to crash, but only have a slow down issue. So... now its time to upgrade and make some recon in the field.

Thank you guys for the feedback!

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Rakela Raul — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:24:24 GMT

never a crash, very stable to me....but disabilitating slow for my machine.

edit: forgot to mention = existing ac10 project to ac11 - not new..maybe this is the problem, migration.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

TomWaltz — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:29:19 GMT

I thought it felt a lot slower, too.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Richard Morrison — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:49:24 GMT

I updated my video drivers (NVidia) last night, which were fairly recent (maybe two months old) to start with, but what a difference that made! I was getting weird flashes in OpenGL, and poor performance before, but now the display seems rock solid and AC11 really flies. Definitely worth a try.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

TomWaltz — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:55:04 GMT

Richard wrote:
I updated my video drivers (NVidia) last night, which were fairly recent (maybe two months old) to start with, but what a difference that made! I was getting weird flashes in OpenGL, and poor performance before, but now the display seems rock solid and AC11 really flies. Definitely worth a try.

If they had Mac drivers, I'd try it!

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Richard Morrison — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:25:01 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:

If they had Mac drivers, I'd try it!

Sure about this? ATI certainly has the most current Mac drivers available for download on their website. Don't other video card manufacturers?

EDIT: Sorry, just checked more carefully. ATI's date, in some cases, from 2005. My sympathies.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:17:41 GMT

Loaded AC11 on my older machine (pentium 4 3.0ghz) and it performs at a decent speed in 2D (very similar to AC10). When I compare it to my newer dual core machine it runs from 3 to 5 times slower in 2D. Literally takes 5 second wait after panning for screen to refresh. I am beginning to think that the culprit is the dual core processor working in ArchiCAD.

Has anyone else had problems with their dual core processor machines?

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:28:10 GMT

g.h.design wrote:
Loaded AC11 on my older machine (pentium 4 3.0ghz) and it performs at a decent speed in 2D (very similar to AC10). When I compare it to my newer dual core machine it runs from 3 to 5 times slower in 2D. Literally takes 5 second wait after panning for screen to refresh. I am beginning to think that the culprit is the dual core processor working in ArchiCAD.

Has anyone else had problems with their dual core processor machines?

I'm having no such problems on my CoreDuo machine. I had some serious delays in the last beta/release candidate when I had a complex elevation referenced into the floor plan - but that is a different issue (and doesn't seem too much of a problem in the final release). What you describe sounds more like a display driver problem.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Eduardo Rolon — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:32:55 GMT

Rakela wrote:
never a crash, very stable to me....but disabilitating slow for my machine.

Just got my copy and it is running extremely slow on a project that works fine in AC10. Opening the drawing manager or resorting takes between 30 to 60 seconds where in 10 it takes about 2. Auto save is basically a go take "smoking break" situation. Editing one Detail settings (fonts, linetype etc) took me a half hour between waiting for the tool to update, Auto Saves and OS X's Beach Ball.

First impression of 11 not good.

Re: Is AC11 stable enought to upgrade from AC10?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:49:42 GMT

I've had absolutely no speed problems on my macBookPro with AC11. But I haven't migrated any significant AC10 projects.
As always, I would guess that the recommendation is to not migrate projects that have already gone fairly well along in AC10. I would guess that the issues that people see are mainly library-related. With a migrated project, there are almost always library objects that follow along from the eralier version. There might be issues that surface when a new version wants different optimisations, that the old library simply doesn't have. For me, issues like this have surfaced many times with migrated projects, beside all the other library issues that follow if you both want to keep the objects you've already placed and take advantage of the increased options in the new version's own library. I bow to Djordje's wisdom in this matter - you might search the forum for his migration experience.