topic Re: modules in Modeling

modules

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2023 14:59:02 GMT

I'm exploring modules for the first time in AC11. I created a module file and placed it into my blank document. I then used the multiply tool to make several copies of the module while elevating them at the same time.

When I go to edit the module, I re-save the file, and then go to the Hotlink manager and update the module. It updates the model fine, but the elevation data for each copy gets removed and the models go to 0' elevation, which effectively "flattens" my model.

Shouldn't the hotlinked modules remember their placed heights in the new file?

Imagine I am creating a custom tread for a set of stairs. Once the tread model gets updated, the treads all flatten out to a constant elevation. Please help!

Re: modules

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:18:57 GMT

Evan wrote:
Shouldn't the hotlinked modules remember their placed heights in the new file?

Yes they should. I have never had a problem with this.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:38:31 GMT

I have tried this again with yesterday's hotfix applied and it still does the same thing.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:41:14 GMT

Here is a screen shot of the issue.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:30:05 GMT

I just tested on my machine. No problems.

There is one quirk I noticed. I tested with walls and moved them up and down in 3D. Since the walls' home story setting was "Automatic", when I updated the modules they shifted their elevation relative to their new story assignment. I don't see how this could be the source of your problem though.

Re: modules

Erika Epstein — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:35:12 GMT

Could it be because you are making copies of the module instead of placing new instances of the module? New instances remember their custom placement (rotation, mirroring etc.). Copies will be updated per the original.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:19:12 GMT

Erika wrote:
Could it be because you are making copies of the module instead of placing new instances of the module? New instances remember their custom placement (rotation, mirroring etc.). Copies will be updated per the original.

I haven't seen any difference between making copies and placing new instances. In all cases they are updated according to any relative changes in the original. There is a new setting when saving the module: "Apply offset/rotation of most recently broken hotlinked module", but it doesn't seem to do anything as far as I can tell.

BTW: I twiddled around with my test walls some more and found that if the walls are set to "Automatic" home story they jump around in strange and (so far as I have tested them) unpredictable ways.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:03:44 GMT

I have just gone through the same or similar frustration. copy does some really strange things to modules - and editing them after placement as described in the help module, creates all kinds of weird results. Walls not staying in the plane of the module setting, interior components fixing themselves to the story height rather than the insertion setting and a few others that skip my feeble mind. The only way I have been able to use the modules is to break all the links and treat them as groups - what a lousy way to get some productivity. The condition exists because I have a split project - one section is 4 feet higher than the other - so stories are forcing choices that make a lot of work.

Anybody have any suggestions on setting the stories to accommodate a 4 foot split for half a project - it is not big enough to make two projects to externally place.

Lew Bishop
Jon Worden Architects
MBP 17" OS X 10.5
AC 1112 US

Re: modules

Link — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:07:02 GMT

Unless GS has changed something without telling us, something is definitely up.

Even from the moment the first hotlinked module is placed, selecting it and checking the elevation, shows up incorrectly. Then when multiplied, they will all each show the wrong elevations. Then when updated they all flatten out. And they still show incorrect elevations.

This definitely didn't happen in 10. I'll report it to GS and see what we get back.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:06:20 GMT

We are experiencing similar Module issue in 11. Modules created on one story and placed on another story, even through created and placed as single story, and at 0" elevation to that story. Modules in 3d are showing up on next story, but showing up on the correct story in plan.
Anyone else having this issue.
Or is there a solution other that placing Module at a negative Dimension to stroy placed in.

Re: modules

Ignacio Azpiazu — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:14:50 GMT

keith wrote:
Or is there a solution other that placing Module at a negative Dimension to stroy placed in.

I am having no problems even with vertically staggered modules, maybe it relates to the fact that my walls are all symbolic.

The USA module-insertion-height-for-stories-1-and-above bug hasn't been fixed, at least until 1086. http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=17878&highlight=module

Re: modules

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:57:20 GMT

Well, I am running the 1086 patch
But still having issues with the modules on different stories.
Walls seem to place correctly. but objects are moving to the next story up.

Re: modules

Rex Maximilian — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:09:36 GMT

Here is something I posted in this thread:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=105038#105038

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Thanks to Dave Tauer at GSUS techsupport and the guys in Budapest for the solution to this. It was happening to me and they were on it. Here's the fix:

1) Start from scratch by deleting your modules
2) Re-HotLink your modules
3) Drag, mirror, rotate, elevate into position

...BUT...

4) MOST IMPORTANTLY--Do not undo at ANY time during the process. If you mess up, fix it by conventional means. Just don't ever undo during the module positioning process. That seems to be the catalyst for the shifts. Once I did the method here, they have stayed put.

Re: modules

Anonymous — Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:18:33 GMT

I too am having issues with hotlinks. I've followed Rex's suggestions, but this doesn't seem to work.
When I place hotlinked files I can see objects, zones and fills, but the walls don't show up. when I look at the 3D window the walls appear but are placed on a different story in the model. Even the objects, zones and fills seem to be on the second story even though they appear on the first story.

After reading the posts in this forum it seems that many other people have been having similar issues. Has anyone else found a solution here?

Re: modules

Rex Maximilian — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:37:25 GMT

barking wrote:
I too am having issues with hotlinks. I've followed Rex's suggestions, but this doesn't seem to work.
When I place hotlinked files I can see objects, zones and fills, but the walls don't show up. when I look at the 3D window the walls appear but are placed on a different story in the model. Even the objects, zones and fills seem to be on the second story even though they appear on the first story.

After reading the posts in this forum it seems that many other people have been having similar issues. Has anyone else found a solution here?

OK, you're having a different problem than the one my previous post addresses... One of two things are probably happening...

1) Your cut plane is too high and the walls are not showing since they are most likely set to "cut." So, check your active cut plane as well as the ones assigned in your views to make sure that they are all in sync.
2) Sometimes the story setting is set to using the "height to next." If you have one story and this is checked, it can cause problems. I usually uncheck it for my site plan (only one story) and for the uppermost floor in my files with multiple stories. You'll see sometimes when linking a PLN or MOD that it will want to place a negative elevation. This is why. The result is that it places the module at an odd elevation causing it (once again) to be out of sync with the cut plane.

Re: modules

Tom Krowka — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:53:29 GMT

) Sometimes the story setting is set to using the "height to next." If you have one story and this is checked, it can cause problems. I usually uncheck it for my site plan (only one story) and for the uppermost floor in my files with multiple stories. You'll see sometimes when linking a PLN or MOD that it will want to place a negative elevation. This is why. The result is that it places the module at an odd elevation causing it (once again) to be out of sync with the cut plane.

I too am having a problem with modules showing up at the top of the story height instead of at the floor starting height. (which would be 0 for a one story building, which this is). I believe the check box adjacent to the story settings refers to the level lines showing up on the S/E windows. Is this what you are refering to in this comment?