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Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:04:22 GMT

Hi everyone,
I've a SEO question, is in what condition or element can be use SEO?
I've try subtract a sphere(object) to a slab,it's work but when I try a bottle(object) to cut the slab, it's not work, Is that bottle too complex??

Or Is any way to do if I want a hole cut in slab like bottle mould in slab,
not noly cut bottle shape in slab.

javascript:emoticon(':(') sorry I know I explain not well, but hope you guys
can understand.
THANS A LOT

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:34:56 GMT

The only 3D elements that cannot be used as operators in SEOs are planar or surface (non-solid) models. For example, you can't cut with a zero thickness slab. Some library parts may not be true solids. That could be the case with your bottle.

I have found some limits on the complexity in the SEOs, but they have become more and more robust with each release. They can handle some pretty extreme complexity now so I doubt that's your problem. The only place I have seen any problems with this lately is with complex operations on intricate site models. They also won't work if the solids don't close properly such as with self crossing slabs, roofs, etc.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Ralph Wessel — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:58:36 GMT

tina_yi wrote:
Or Is any way to do if I want a hole cut in slab like bottle mould in slab, not noly cut bottle shape in slab.

Are you trying to make something like the attached image?

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:39:45 GMT

How do you do that?

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:22:23 GMT

Oh, while we're on the subject here:
Can you NOT use column as SEOs?

Seems to me I can not.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Erika Epstein — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:42:11 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Oh, while we're on the subject here:
Can you NOT use column as SEOs?

Seems to me I can not.

No you cannot use columns to SEO walls, but you can use columns and SEOs on other model solids.

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, but with columns you do have choices in its settings box for how the column will relate to a wall. Also Layer priorities.

HTH

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:44:24 GMT

How do you do that?

Execute hole of using Solid element Operations, possible in two ways.
Install object depending on necessary depth hole…

Way 1
Operation Subtraction: the Wall- Get Target Elements, Object - Get Operator Elements > Execute
Operation Intersection: the Wall - Get Operator Elements , Object - Get Target Elements> Execute
Way 2
We create a new layer: Document> Layers> Layer settings (Model views) > New (Named, for example, Object)> OK. Object selections settings > Layer the create object on this layer – Object.
Solid element Operations:
Operation Subtraction: the Wall- Get Target Element, Object - Get Operator Elements>Execute
Document> Layers> Layer settings (Model views) > Hide - the Layer Object
P.S. Important, with what of Tools the object was created.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:08:34 GMT

Solid element Operations demands considerable resources of the computer (processor), according to time at calculation, especially, when OBJECT of the difficult form. In this plan, the Way 2 favourably differs.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:18:28 GMT

Erika wrote:

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve, but with columns you do have choices in its settings box for how the column will relate to a wall. Also Layer priorities.

HTH

I am not sure that I am trying to acheive anything really, just understanding.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:31:10 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
I am not sure that I am trying to acheive anything really, just understanding.

Walls, beams and columns have special, automatic, SEO-type relationships so doing actual SEOs on them doesn't make much sense. Erika is right (as far as I can tell) that SEOs don't do anything with walls and columns. Beams and columns can use SEOs with each other but I'm not sure why this would be useful.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Rakela Raul — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:11:20 GMT

does SEO work with objects created in MaxonForm??

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:46:42 GMT

tina_yi

I've a SEO question, is in what condition or element can be use SEO?
I've try subtract a sphere(object) to a slab,it's work but when I try a bottle(object) to cut the slab, it's not work, Is that bottle too complex??

What tool (plug-in) was used for bottle creation?

Matthew Lohden

Some library parts may not be true solids. That could be the case with your bottle.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Ralph Wessel — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:41:44 GMT

Scrat wrote:
How do you do that?

Just using ArchiCAD's Solid Element Operations (SEOs). The complexity of the bottle object is definitely a factor in the success of this tool. When my bottle object was set very smooth, an attempt to use it as an operator against the slab was unsuccessful. It sat there for a long time (with spinning cursor), and the slab remained unchanged when it finished. Pushing the bottle smoothness down resulted in the image you see and finished reasonably quickly.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:42:31 GMT

I know how to make object but what was asking is how do you create that ball-shape part (top of the bottle).

And how do you usually create a ball

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Ralph Wessel — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:42:57 GMT

Scrat wrote:
I know how to make object but what was asking is how do you create that ball-shape part (top of the bottle).
And how do you usually create a ball

The bottle shapes were made by drawing half their cross-section with the polyline tool and creating a lathe profile with OBJECTiVE. I drew two different profiles because I wasn't sure which case the original question referred to (see the attached image). One profile creates a solid blob, the other is hollow inside (as a real bottle would be). The effect with SEOs is quite different in each case, but the critical step was to make sure the objects weren't too smooth (the SEO would fail).

I create a ball or sphere by just drawing a half-circle and profiling it with OBJECTiVE.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:58:05 GMT

Hello Ralph,
Would you agree that, in case someone does not have Objective,
the exact same procedure as you describe works with
Archicad's Profiler using the revolve construction method ?
Thanks,
Peter Devlin

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Ralph Wessel — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:09:17 GMT

Peter wrote:
Hello Ralph,
Would you agree that, in case someone does not have Objective,
the exact same procedure as you describe works with
Archicad's Profiler using the revolve construction method ?

I don't know - I haven't used Profiler for a long time because the objects it produced were a bit crude. I usually want to rotate and/or cut up the objects I make, which I don't believe Profiler supports. OBJECTiVE components also have a built-in smoothness setting.

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:45:10 GMT

Hello Ralph,
You are right Profiler does not support those things except
for resolution of arcs which now can be set in the magic wand settings.
I think this is only true for the resolution of the path but not the
resolution of a shape done with the revolve command.
Your discovery that SEO does not work if the "smoothness",
or as I take it polygon count, is too high is a surprise to me and
my explain why some library parts I have made do not SEO
with anything when used as operators. These parts were made
with the mass command and have high polygon counts.
Thank you for the tip.
Peter Devlin

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:54:28 GMT

Hello Ralph,
Sorry I reply late, and thanks ,that's exactly what I want to do,
Now I know the problem is that if I profile the object in solid then I can cut it in slab, right ,

Thank again , you are really genius,javascript:emoticon(':P')

Re: Can SEO be used in complex object???

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:48:07 GMT

Hello Ralph,
It's me again, I've try to give the bottle thickness but still not work, how do you down the somthness? I go to 3D script to change the resol 36 to 20 , is't the way to do??
Sorry to bother you again.