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Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Anonymous — Tue, 23 May 2023 15:16:22 GMT

I have modelled this office portion of our building using walls and curtainwalls within the walls. I have used solid element operations to achieve the angled faces. As we know however, this does not translate into plan. We are moving towards the documentation stage and I want what is shown 3 dimensionally to be easily updated and then viewed in plan as well. We are still making adjustments / studies on the structural glazed curtainwall, but I need the flexibility to view it in a plan that can be used for construction document purposes. Any ideas on the best way to construct the curtainwall and angling walls? We are working in ArchiCad 10. Please see the attached pics

Thanks,

John Wissinger

Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Anonymous — Mon, 22 May 2006 19:11:24 GMT

I have modelled this office portion of our building using walls and curtainwalls within the walls. I have used solid element operations to achieve the angled faces. As we know however, this does not translate into plan. We are moving towards the documentation stage and I want what is shown 3 dimensionally to be easily updated and then viewed in plan as well. We are still making adjustments / studies on the structural glazed curtainwall, but I need the flexibility to view it in a plan that can be used for construction document purposes. Any ideas on the best way to construct the curtainwall and angling walls? We are working in ArchiCad 10. please see the images...plan and perspective

Thanks,

John Wissinger

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

TomWaltz — Mon, 22 May 2006 19:11:44 GMT

Anything done with SEO does not show up in plan (even in AC10). Sorry!

I would say that in order to make it work, you need to:

build everything with walls, columns, beams, and roofs,
make sure your floor plan cutting plan is set to
make sure all the modeled elements are set to cut properly

You could make an object out of it and mess with the 2D symbol, but that's a pain, too.

Other than that.... there's not much more I can recommend.

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

TomWaltz — Mon, 22 May 2006 19:40:37 GMT

See my response under your first post.

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Anonymous — Mon, 22 May 2006 19:59:53 GMT

Thanks Tom,

How do you create walls that slope, have their sides angled, and have their tops angles as well....so it is essentially a sloping wall, except I need the ability to move the edges of the wall around.

John

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

TomWaltz — Mon, 22 May 2006 20:21:20 GMT

If you're using 10, the easiest way to slope a wall that I know if is to cut a section through it and use the Pet Palette of its top corner to slide the wall back.

I know the polygonal walls and profiled walls cannot slope interactively or I would have recommended them, and I cannot seem to figure out a way to slope the ends of the walls...

Welcome to the "Archicad's modeling limitations" realm 😉

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Rakela Raul — Mon, 22 May 2006 20:45:59 GMT

do u really need to get so sharp ??

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Djordje — Tue, 23 May 2006 03:12:17 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
If you're using 10, the easiest way to slope a wall that I know if is to cut a section through it and use the Pet Palette of its top corner to slide the wall back.

As usual, I would reccomend working in the 3D window to the same purpose. The nodes are live, you can change the slope of the wall or any of the side faces (depends on the geometry, of course) in it, and you immediately see what has been done. If you think in parallel cuts, then as Tom said, use a S/E window.

Slicing off the top of the wall is still a case of:

- using a roof plane as a cutter
- using SEO

Add to taste and situation ...

Plan representation in 10 is a VERY different animal than in any version before - it depends in the height of the cutting plane, the position of the wall relative to the current storey, the way that the wall is displayed. Takes some time to get used to ...

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

Djordje — Tue, 23 May 2006 03:13:27 GMT

Rakela wrote:
do u really need to get so sharp ??

He was being nice ...

Re: Modelling complex objects -- translation in plan

TomWaltz — Tue, 23 May 2006 10:44:49 GMT

Rakela wrote:
do u really need to get so sharp ??

When "Modeling Freedom" is one of the hot selling points of Archicad 10, I don't think it's "sharp" to note where it fails to meet expectations.

Yes, there are a lot of really great modeling features (along with other types of features), but there is still not "modeling freedom." Try placing a profiled wall that curves in plan, then tell me how much freedom you have in modeling.