topic Re: Windows Vista in Modeling

Windows Vista

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:12:48 GMT

Does AC10 run on windows vista or is some update required?

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:47:44 GMT

The last time I tried it ran, but not perfect. I tested with Vista RC1 64-bit.

Wibu drivers were not updated at the time, so I had to use an educational version. The drivers are updated since then.

OpenGL realtime navigation had some issues with the Aero interface in Vista. But the nVidia drivers for the 64-bit version were not that great, to be honest.

The Java-installer disabled the Aero interface in Vista, but nothing really bad happened.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:23:45 GMT

Note this:

http://www.archicadwiki.com/Windows_Vista

Re: Windows Vista

Laszlo Vertesi — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:12:54 GMT

Peter wrote:
Does AC10 run on windows vista or is some update required?

The buzz today is about: is Vista up to the task yet?

But seriously: Vista is not and will not be fully supported by AC10(not even with future hot fixes).
FYI - work for Vista support in future major AC releases is in progress...

Laszlo

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:33:13 GMT

thanks for the response guys..

It looks like Windows XP for a new machine is the way to go (for AC10) at least....agreed?

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:43:07 GMT

Be sure to also read through additional opinions on Vista.

Windows Vista Review by Paul Thorrot
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista.asp

Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection by Peter Gutmann
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt

upFront.eZine NEWS #503 has some additional information and opinions too (and that is targeted at CAD users).
http://www.upfrontezine.com/current.htm
(beware, current visible issue is #502 when I checked it... but check back the following days - I cannot copy the article since it's copyrighted).

I think it is safe to state that most production environments and offices are not likely to quickly switch to Vista in the next few months (or even years). Unless you are on a major hardware upgrade, installing Vista in your current office would probably have serious consequences.

That said, I like Vista as a whole, but many of the restrictions and caveats are reasons to at least keep a working XP installation ready. If you want security, then opt for the 64-bit edition, since most applications and drivers are not ready for it 😉

Re: Windows Vista

Jefferson — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:54:31 GMT

Well this is a drag for a guy about to replace his rig, and, all the mfg.s want to sell is Vista driven gear.

Re: Windows Vista

TomWaltz — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:04:51 GMT

Could always buy a Mac...

Re: Windows Vista

Jefferson — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:25:49 GMT

Yup. As soon as they put a numeric keyboard on their big lappys and reimburse/relicense me for the windows specific software I run, no problem

I am going to have to really lean on the seller to install XP Pro, or else do reformat. Oh joy.......

Re: Windows Vista

TomWaltz — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:43:11 GMT

No need. You can run all your Windows apps in Parallels or Boot Camp.

Re: Windows Vista

stefan — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:23:42 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
No need. You can run all your Windows apps in Parallels or Boot Camp.

What about hardware acceleration? Is that fully supported in these environments?

Re: Windows Vista

TomWaltz — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 11:59:57 GMT

stefan wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
No need. You can run all your Windows apps in Parallels or Boot Camp.
What about hardware acceleration? Is that fully supported in these environments?

I'm going to sound dumb here: I don't know what hardware acceleration is.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:58:11 GMT

GPU. Graphic Processor Unit. Graphic Card takes care about what you see in 3D window. Main processor do not make calculations in that area. That means much faster 3D and more power for other tasks.

Re: Windows Vista

TomWaltz — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:25:35 GMT

Miki wrote:
GPU. Graphic Processor Unit. Graphic Card takes care about what you see in 3D window. Main processor do not make calculations in that area. That means much faster 3D and more power for other tasks.

Oh!! Duh.... for some reason I was thinking like accelerating normal processes, not video.

I cannot say. I haven't tried it. I can say that WinXP seems to run very well on it, even with Autocad and Revit.

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:09:58 GMT

stefan wrote:
TomWaltz wrote:
No need. You can run all your Windows apps in Parallels or Boot Camp.
What about hardware acceleration? Is that fully supported in these environments?

I can't quote any specs or benchmarks but XP runs faster on my MacBook Pro (in Boot Camp) than it does on most of the PC's I've seen lately. I also have read that it is somewhat faster than a similarly configured Dell. I assume that this means that the hardware drivers are pretty much up to snuff. OpenGL performance is very good. I have also seen no display driver related problems which have seemed endemic to many PC's.

Re: Windows Vista

owen — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:40:00 GMT

Running Windows on a Mac using Boot Camp will make full use of your hardware - there is absolutely no difference to a PC.

well actually there is ... the MacBook Pro is faster : )

Parallels however is a virtual machine and it does not make full use of your hardware - e.g RAM access is limited to 1.5GB max and your whiz-bang Graphics Card is treated as a Generic 8MB card. Despite this I have used AC10 on Parallels and it runs pretty well i have to say.

There are plenty of comparisons out theresuch as this

Re: Windows Vista

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:39:38 GMT

owen wrote:
Running Windows on a Mac using Boot Camp will make full use of your hardware - there is absolutely no difference to a PC.

well actually there is ... the MacBook Pro is faster : )

Parallels however is a virtual machine and it does not make full use of your hardware - e.g RAM access is limited to 1.5GB max and your whiz-bang Graphics Card is treated as a Generic 8MB card. Despite this I have used AC10 on Parallels and it runs pretty well i have to say.

There are plenty of comparisons out theresuch as this

- and please check out the latest version of Parallels - it is brilliant (make to allocate enough memory to the "graphical department") otherwise AC10 is not running very well in OpenGL:-)

Re: Windows Vista

Haneef Tayob — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:06:00 GMT

Laszlo wrote:

But seriously Vista is not and will not be fully supported by AC10 (not even with future hot fixes).
FYI - work for Vista support in future major AC releases is in progress...

Laszlo

$$$ - I can see a lot of money leaving my pocket.
I need to urgently upgrade my pc and can't consider a Mac.
Looks like I'll have to stick to the outdated XP.
What happens when AC11 come$ out. What if it runs more optimally on Vista than on XP. I remember when I was on Win98, I was forced to upgrade to Win2000 to give me a stable platform. If it does, I'll have to then fork out for a Vi$ta upgrade.