topic Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool in Modeling

AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:00:14 GMT

I'm looking at using the Interior Elevation Tool, I have the Marker set up the way I want it, everything else is looking good ... except ... My question is once I have set up the interior elevation, how do I stretch the elevation if for example the client increases the size of the ensuite ?

It seems like an obvious extension of the tool, but ask you can see on the attached picture the pet pallette does have that option.

Am I missing something ? Is the interior tool linked to the zones ?

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Link — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:57:06 GMT

You're selecting the wrong line. You need to select the 'limit line' and stretch it. It doesn't behave like a Section or Elevation, despite our recommendations.

If you select the marker, it will select the whole interior elevation group, including the limit line. Once you see it, then click on the edge of the limit line that you want to stretch and use the appropriate pet palette option.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:30:18 GMT

Thankyou Link

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:32:46 GMT

I can see where to change the vertical limits, is there an option to limit the horizontal ones, to prevent other parts of the model showing up ?

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Link — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:45:55 GMT

The limit line controls the depth and the adjacent limit lines control the width. Not the best solution, but that's the extent of it AFAIK (pardon the pun).

Cheers,
Link.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:28:42 GMT

I thought that too. So this is the depth constraint in the first image. But as you can see in the second the sliding door behind is still showing up ... confused !

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:29:42 GMT

and the second ...

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Barry Kelly — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:57:34 GMT

moloneyds wrote:
I thought that too. So this is the depth constraint in the first image. But as you can see in the second the sliding door behind is still showing up ... confused !

It's a "Feature" (read this as BUG!) of the elevation tool.

If the side limits touch a wall then the limit will include the extent of the wall.
According to the reference manual (page 157) this is so you can include curved walls in the view without the need of a curved limit line.
Why they do this I don't know - I would just extend the depth of the limit.

The thing is this also seems to work on straight walls also.
I have had mixed result (i.e. inconsistent) - sometimes you see more than your extent and sometime you don't.
Haven't really used it properly yet so i will have to experiment some more.

But your elevation line is not touching any walls so I don't know what is happening here.
Why have an extent limit if it doesn't work?

Simple solution is to use the ordinary section line.
I think GS need to do a bit more work on this one.

Barry.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Barry Kelly — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:58:33 GMT

moloneyds wrote:
I thought that too. So this is the depth constraint in the first image. But as you can see in the second the sliding door behind is still showing up ... confused !

I played with this a bit.
I bet you will find your wall with the sliding door forms a continuous perimeter - of course it does - it's the perimeter wall of your house!
The stupid thing is that because of this - regardless of what you do with the internal elevation and its extents - you will always see this wall in the background - even though you are not touching it with any part of your elevation line.

Make a break in the wall and then look at your elevation again.
Hopefully you won't see the sliding door or its wall.
The only problem is you probably don't want to break this perimeter wall.

I hope this is a bug that can be fixed, but I don't think I will be holding my breath.
I will report this to GS Australia and I would suggest others do to if you feel it is a bug.

Barry.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Link — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:17:37 GMT

Yes, this 'feature' is registered as a bug with GS and they are well aware of it. Originally it was meant to work as expected, but I think they ran into problems with niches and curved walls. The last I heard from GS was this:

The limit line has the purpose at the moment to limit the view in horizontal direction, but only in one dimension and not in a plane....so the user can decide how much he wants to see "left and right" but not how "far or close".

GS are working on it. Hopefully we will see improvements in the future.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:50:18 GMT

If we create an interior elevation with say five views. We delete 2 after we create. In view map the two deleted elevations are not shown any longer. Once the view is placed on a sheet, the markers for the two deleted elevations still appear in plan. Any ideas on how to delete these unused and deleted marker views?

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Thomas Holm — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:35:37 GMT

I haven't seen that issue. If thery are not deletable, report it as a bug to your reseller along with a copy of the .pln, (your reseller should forward the report to Graphisoft if the bug is not on the known list). If they still are selectable, try putting them on an invisible layer.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:32:58 GMT

Thanks, I will forward to Reseller.
Just to complete what is happening. The marker shows up correctly in the pln-view map. But when you place the view on a sheet the additional markers (that were deleted) show up. along with the correct marker. So you can not select to turn off layer because they do not exist any longer

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:58:10 GMT

As a follow up to my previous post.
Enclosed are two screen shots. Elevations were placed and then several were deleted. setting on elevation tool is marker: individual

1. View Map- shows just the elevations that remain. the navigator confirms only these elevations exist.

2. Layout- shows markers for the elevations that are there and the elevations that were deleted.

thanks.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Laura Yanoviak — Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:00:16 GMT

I don't know if this is related, but I've run into the IE Markers showing up in the Viewpoint, even if their layer is off! When attempting to select one of these Markers, a warning pops up -- something like "element is not active in this window". Also, I've had reports of not being able to change the layer of an IE Marker once it is placed.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Rex Maximilian — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:43:13 GMT

I've also found the i.e. doesn't play nice with profiled walls. You actually have to go inside the wall a bit for it to draw the side lines of the walls.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

matjashka — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:31:06 GMT

In your Navigator's Project Map right-click the name of your IE set (the one you deleted from) and select the Restore All Interior Elevations From Group.

Your deleted markers will show up again, and you will be able to edit them so that they don't show on your plan any more (like, move them out of your view limits)

HTH

(I confirm the above issue, we have run into it in our office)

--
Matt

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Anonymous — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:34:33 GMT

Matt.
i will give it a go. Sound like a good work around.

Thanks,

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:52:00 GMT

Laura wrote:
Also, I've had reports of not being able to change the layer of an IE Marker once it is placed.

For anyone encountering the same problem: The layer setting cannot be changed (and stick) in the IE Marker dialog, but can be changed via the "Edit Selection Set" dialog.

Re: AC 11 Interior Elevation Tool

Paul King — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:13:33 GMT

Laura wrote:
Laura wrote:
Also, I've had reports of not being able to change the layer of an IE Marker once it is placed.
For anyone encountering the same problem: The layer setting cannot be changed (and stick) in the IE Marker dialog, but can be changed via the "Edit Selection Set" dialog.

For me even with only one marker selected, changing layer via Edit selection set changes layer on all markers in IE group. Only other workaround seems to be shifting the unwanted marker out to one side beyond extent of plan view saved to layout.