topic Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10 in Modeling

PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Wed, 24 May 2006 16:17:01 GMT

I have trouble generally with marker and title from AC9.

How can I import Titles from AC9 and how can I make my own titles for layouts with AC10?

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 25 May 2006 02:03:10 GMT

Archi wrote:
How can I import Titles from AC9 and how can I make my own titles for layouts with AC10?

When you open a 9 LBK in 10, all title types are converted to GDL title objects automatically... you should be asked during the process to specify a folder into which to place the title objects (likely to be your project folder, but perhaps your company folder).

Karl

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 10:33:47 GMT

Thanks Karl.

How can we make own titles?
Standardtitle of AC10 has many attributes.
How can we make such titles?

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

David Maudlin — Thu, 25 May 2006 11:22:50 GMT

Archi wrote:
How can we make own titles?
Standardtitle of AC10 has many attributes.
How can we make such titles?

Archi User:

The GDL that has been available in ArchiCAD is now usable for layouts, so you can use the 2D GDL commands for creating titles. There is a Subtype called Drawing Title for this, which also provides information about the drawing the title is attached to. You might want to start by looking at some of the titles that come with ArchiCAD (select a drawing that has a title, the go to File>GDL Objects>Open Object...). The titles created by ArchiCAD from your old layouts are relatively dumb, the new Drawing Titles can have the same intelligence as the GDL parts available in ArchiCAD.

HTH

David

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 11:36:06 GMT

Hello David

It is for me very hard work to programm GDL for title.
The standardtitle of AC10 is very nice.
But I want to have more titles than this (for example with circle something like some markers...)
I can make titles and save it as title, but it doesnt work like original standard title.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 11:49:44 GMT

One way to make your titles is to do it in PlotMaker 9 and then import them into AC 10.

A second way is to configure the title the way you want it in AC 10 and then save the Drawing Settings as a favorite. Do the same for any other configurations you need.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 13:14:33 GMT

You can also make your titles in a similar fashion as you have done before by drawing the title with 2d tools and using the appropriate auto text. Select the title you have drawn and from the file menu chose libraries and objects / save as title type. This will not create any parameters for the title but will give you something similar to what you had in 9. I think someone else suggested making adjustments to the title that ships with 10 and saving a favorite. I have not played with this, but am concerned it will change everything in the drawing settings and not just the title.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 13:33:46 GMT

The theme with titles shoulb be sold very soon to work with new environment in AC 10.
I am used to use very well with titles from PM9.
You can save it as GDL-Title. But the result is bad.

See the example from standard title in AC10. AC 10 must give many possibilities like markers.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Djordje — Thu, 25 May 2006 16:24:43 GMT

Archi wrote:
How can we make own titles?

You will have to learn some GDL ...

If the 9 level of the titles suffices, then make them in 9, open in 10 - they will be automatically converted.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

kevin b — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:49:32 GMT

But without knowing GDL you actually get less functionality than in 9. In 9 we made all our titles (some with squares some with circles, etc) to the left of the drawing with a line extending to the right. We made the line long enough to cover the full length across the bottom of our drawings but if the drawing was smaller say half a sheet, you could make the title "window" smaller so that the length of the title was the length of the drawing, similar to what the defualt title in 10 does but...
when I converted our 9 titles to 10 and they become objects, I can not stretch or do anything to them so they are essentially worthless as the stick out to far in most cases.
I've said it before and I'll say it again I shouldn't have to be a programmer to get this simple thing, especially since I had it and now they've taken it away.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

SeaGeoff — Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:34:58 GMT

While these complaints do point to the general need for a graphic creation and editing system for objects I think it is imperative that when Graphisoft does deliver such a system that is built on GDL and that direct access to the code remains available as it is often much easier/faster to tweak things that way than graphically.

As for the title, yes it will require GDL manipulations to edit, but the trade off is well worth it. For example we finally get scale bars because the new titles can respond to (not just list) the drawing scale. And because objects can have multiple configurations, editable hotspots and the like, one title object can serve a broad range of situations. We will no longer have to create a new title type because we want a smaller circle, different font, etc. The one I've tried out (can't remember which) has hotspots to adjust the position of each text block and the line length, so already offers more flexibility than you describe. I'm sure we'll see variants appearing soon in the Object Depository.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:18:55 GMT

The new titles may be good in the long run, but the ones supplied with 10 are cryptic and hard to use. I do tire of having to guess at what some parameters represent and ultimately not achieving what I am after.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:50:16 GMT

Maybe it's me but the NCS Title in 10 is the type of title I have used it seems forever. The bubble is on the left - the title is on top, the line extends the distance of the view automatically and the scale is noted and can have a graphic scale included.. For me very nice and I did not have to do a thing except use it.

Lew Bishop
Dual 2.0 G5 4GB - 2- 20" cinemas nVidea 6800
AC 10 - OS X 10.4.6
15" PB 1.5 for home

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:56:01 GMT

LewBishop wrote:
Maybe it's me but the NCS Title in 10 is the type of title I have used it seems forever. The bubble is on the left - the title is on top, the line extends the distance of the view automatically and the scale is noted and can have a graphic scale included.. For me very nice and I did not have to do a thing except use it.

Lew Bishop
Dual 2.0 G5 4GB - 2- 20" cinemas nVidea 6800
AC 10 - OS X 10.4.6
15" PB 1.5 for home

Great
Where can I get NCS title?

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:09:44 GMT

Amazing as it may seem It came up as a default type in the layout section of the plan - along with the basic title. I am using both - the basic for a residential project, and the NCS for a larger one.

When you select a view on a sheet, and do a cmdT to the tool, in the title section there is a box to choose the title type -- and there it is..

Lew Bishop
Dual 2.0 G5 4GB nVidea 6800 2-20" Cinemas
AC 10 - OS X 10.4.6
15" PB 1.5 for home

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:31:42 GMT

Hellow Lew
If you dont mind, can you show here as picture?
Your instruction is not easy.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:49:09 GMT

Here is the screen shot of the location - in the layout section of the file, select the view - in this case a detail of a wall section, and do a CMD T or CNTRL T to get the screen with all the defaults. Look at the bottom section of the page to find the section that deals with the title elements. All of the required selections are there for me.

Lew Bishop

Dual 2.0 G5 4GB nVidea 6800 2-20" cinemas
AC 10 - OSX 10.4.6
15" PB 1.5 for home

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:02:15 GMT

I need it.
For german version there is no NCs Title.
Is there any possibility to download this one?
Basically we need more marker types for title, detail and section.

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:46:18 GMT

Sorry about that -- did not even look to your location. The NCS stuff is a National Cad Standards that has been developed in the US for use by anyone doing business with the government. The standards extend to all who wish to use them. I have adopted the standards as a reasonable way of creating good drawing content and to have parts that are recognized by most people working in the industry here.

I do not know whether or not the various parts are available from GS or others.

Lew Bishop

Dual 2.0 G5 4GB nVidia 6800
AC 10 OSX 10.4.6
15" PB 1.5 For Home

Re: PLN and PMK exchange betw. AC9 and AC10

kevin b — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:29:53 GMT

I'm in the US and the only title I have is "Basic Drawing Title"