topic DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout in Modeling

DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:55:27 GMT

Hi all.
I have brought a DWG site into archiad.
When I select the site in archicad i see that I can chenge then pen set.
So I changed it to an all black penset that I made.
But, when I am viewing this on a layout the colors are back, like it is ignorong the pen set I set to it.

Any Ideas?
Make anysense?

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Thomas Holm — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:57:37 GMT

IN AC11 yo acn select the penset to use in each layout and each view. Select the view in the navigator and check it's settings, and choose penset there.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:06:49 GMT

I know you can set the pensets for the views in the view and the layout.
But, I set a Pen Set for the DWG.
When I am in my view all the DWG pens are black, like I told them to be through the DWG pen set. But when I go back to my layout my DWG lines are colored again.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:37:24 GMT

Oh- and- The pens sets for the view in the view settings and in the drawing settings are the same

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Thomas Holm — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:38:58 GMT

OK What happens if you selsect the view on the layout, change it's penset so something else, OK and then open the settings again and reö-set its penset to the black one you want?

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:48:24 GMT

Well, no luck.
Thomas- do you know what I am talking about with changing the DWG's Penset?

I have this:
A- DWG pen set
B- View Pen Set
C- Drawing Pen Set

B and C are the same.
What are they giving me the option of a DWG Pen Set for? I went to the DWG options, View Drawing's Own Pen Set > Changed them all to black> saved it as a pen set and then assigned it to the DWG. . .

Is this something i am supposed to be handling with a Translator?
I am really pretty novice when it comes to the translator stuff, and I guess I thought that was just for output?

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:53:22 GMT

So, further more, there is "PenSets" and "Colors" I See now. So, I don't know that I am going to be able to get an answer through here, seems like too much info.
Help if you can, but, i will try to read something somewhere too.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:55:42 GMT

haha.

how ever- changing the "Colors" to gray scale is getting me what I want as far as I can tell.

But I dont UNDERSTAND

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:46:24 GMT

So, here I am again rambling to myself.

I watch "webinars" through Archivista every week.
This week just happened to be on the drawing tool, so I got to ask this question.

What I was told was that you can only control the DWG's colors and pens through its drawing settings, the way I was trying to, for the view/project map.

The instructor suggested putting your DWG on a hidden layer so when your view is placed on a layout you dont see it.
Then- you place that DWG on the same layout through the drawing tool and then you can give it it's own certain pen set.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Thomas Holm — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:23:34 GMT

Well, i'm not sure I understand you completely...

The Help files are really helpful!

You have a number of pre-defined Pen Sets in the program. There's a list at Options>Element Attributes > Pens & Colors.
If one of them suits you, fine, otherwise customise and save one of your own. You can use any color and pen width for any pen. I usually use an Autocad standard pen set of my own because it makes conversions easier.

Now open your layout, select the view in question and right-click. Select Drawing Selection Settings. In the dialog, open the Properties tab. There in the lower left, select the pre-defined pen set you want. Then, on the right, you can override it with greyscale or everything black if you like. Click OK.

If the DWG refuses to display the way you want it after the above excersise, you can workarund it by importing the DWG into a separate .pln document and then Hot-link that into your current project. This will give youeven more control.

If none of this works, I don't know.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:39:21 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Well, i'm not sure I understand you completely...

The Help files are really helpful!

You have a number of pre-defined Pen Sets in the program. There's a list at Options>Element Attributes > Pens & Colors.
If one of them suits you, fine, otherwise customise and save one of your own. You can use any color and pen width for any pen. I usually use an Autocad standard pen set of my own because it makes conversions easier.

Now open your layout, select the view in question and right-click. Select Drawing Selection Settings. In the dialog, open the Properties tab. There in the lower left, select the pre-defined pen set you want. Then, on the right, you can override it with greyscale or everything black if you like. Click OK.

If the DWG refuses to display the way you want it after the above excersise, you can workarund it by importing the DWG into a separate .pln document and then Hot-link that into your current project. This will give youeven more control.

If none of this works, I don't know.

I don't know how good I am with communicating my question and thoughts through here with typing.

It doesn't seem that we are on the same page exactly here. I don't think I am making it so you can undersatnd me completely.
I am going to look into your hotlinked suggestion though and see where that gets me.

Are you saying that I should open an empty Archicad project-Import the DWG file, and save it out as a hotlinked module with the pens I want to be displayed on?

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Ben Odonnell — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:14:13 GMT

Jess,
Change your pen set again. This time redefine your view, the one that is placed on the layout. Do an update, you should be seeing the DWG pen set now.

Mmm For get about what I wrote above. I think you may have found a bug? It's not working as it should. I did a redefine but it didn't work. This is a work around though. If you mark the view on the layout, then bring up the drawing selection setting dialog, you can change your pen set in there to the one you want.

Cheers.
Ben

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:39:34 GMT

Ben wrote:
Jess,
Change your pen set again. This time redefine your view, the one that is placed on the layout. Do an update, you should be seeing the DWG pen set now.

Mmm For get about what I wrote above. I think you may have found a bug? It's not working as it should. I did a redefine but it didn't work. This is a work around though. If you mark the view on the layout, then bring up the drawing selection setting dialog, you can change your pen set in there to the one you want.

Cheers.
Ben

Maybe I can do some print screens and show you guys what I am talking about. I am going to try to explain it one more time. (I think its a bug too, maybe)
This is what I mean by the following terms whenI use them here for this:
View- a saved View through the view map and the navigator. Has it's own pen settings.
DWG- the auto cad file i am placing on my VIEW. DWG also has its own pen set by selecting it- refering to the info box- picking a pen set for it.
Drawing- this is the View after it has been placed on the layout. this also has a pen set.

in my VIEW my view Penset is Greyoutput, and I make my DWG pen set also greayoutput. so in my view everything looks black and white and grey, like i want it.

Once I place my view (With the DWG in it) on the layout- I go to drawing settings and set the pen set to either By View or Greyoutput (It doesn't matter)

Now what I have drawn in my view through archicad is following the greayoutput pens that I assigned it, but all the DWG lines are colors again. The colors that it was drawn with in autocad.

Now- Isnt there a way we can assign a translator of some sorts to DWGs that we bring in? and how?
For instance- my surveyor's contours and well circles are way too dark. So I want to assign my own pens to these things so they are lighter, and so that they are grey/black when I want to print them.
Any better?

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Thomas Holm — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:46:52 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Are you saying that I should open an empty Archicad project-Import the DWG file, and save it out as a hotlinked module with the pens I want to be displayed on?

yes. i thought if this is a bug with viewing DWG drawings you've found, if you import it into an empty Archicad project, and then hotlink that, it's no longer a DWG, thus you would avoid seeing the bug...

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Thomas Holm — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:51:03 GMT

Jesikuh123 wrote:
Now- Isnt there a way we can assign a translator of some sorts to DWGs that we bring in? and how?

Of course. To make translations consistent, I tend to use the Keep Pen Index Number translator and assign a pen set to the import that gives me the look I want. Check the Help files!

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Anonymous — Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:52:03 GMT

yes yes.
I think this is what I am going to be doing from now on.
Wit this survey and DWG though, I have gone into AutocAD and just changed all th epens and pen weights in t here to be what I want them tp be in Archiacad. So I cheated.

Re: DWG/Color/Pen Set-View vs Layout

Rex Maximilian — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 05:22:34 GMT

What about linking the DWG via Xreffing as opposed to being an external Drawing? That way it is subject to the active pen set anyways. There won't be a dual pen set issue for the placed drawing on the layout to deal with.

Good luck!